Paleo blogger and resistant starch expert Richard Nikoley is our special guest host interviewing special guests Tim “Tator Tot” Steele, Grace Liu, and Tom Naughton in Episode 811 of “The Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb Show.”
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In recent months, you may have heard quite a bit in the Paleo and low-carb communities about a concept known as “resistant starch.” One of the people leading the charge on this is our special guest host for today’s episode. His name is Richard Nikoley from “Free the Animal” (listen to Richard’s two previous appearances on the podcast in Episode 347 and Episode 555) and he is currently writing a book with two of his guests about gut biome, prebiotics and probiotics. They are Tim Steele (aka “Tator Tot”) from the North Pole in Alaska and functional medicine practitioner Grace Liu, PharmD, AFMCP from “Animal Pharm” (listen to Jimmy’s interview with Grace in Episode 520). They are also joined at the end by someone who needs no introduction to “The Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb Show” listeners–he is Tom Naughton from “Fat Head” who has been experimenting with resistant starch with great success in recent months as he recently shared in Episode 100 of the “Low-Carb Conversations” podcast.
Listen in our fabulous foursome of Richard, Tim, Grace, and Tom discuss the importance of the human gut microbiome to health and wellness and how in being compromised can be at the root of many digestive, autoimmune, and even mental disorders, the fact that bacteria accounts for 10 times as many cells in our body as human cells, they are present in 300 to 1,000 different species, and combined, can account for 100 times the number of genes we possess, how the gut biome can be compromised in a number of ways but the most common are the use of antibiotics, inadequate feeding (prebiotics), and inadequate regular repopulating (probiotics), the critical role of resistant starches as a probiotic that feeds friendly bacteria, what this form of starch means to someone on a low-carb diet, what “Soil Based Organisms” are in terms of probiotics, how we used to get them, and why most don’t anymore with negative implications on their health, what SIBO is and how to fix it, and a recap of Tom Naughton’s experience in supplementing both with potato starch, as well as going to a more low-to-moderate carbohydrate intake. If you’ve been curious about this topic of resistant starch, then this is the podcast for you! ENJOY!
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– Richard Nikoley from “Free the Animal”
– RELATED PODCAST: The LLVLC Show #347: Richard Nikoley From ‘Free The Animal’ On Primal Health
– RELATED PODCAST: The LLVLC Show #555: Paleo Blogger Richard Nikoley Addresses The Low-Carb vs. Paleo Controversy
– Grace Liu, PharmD, AFMCP from “Animal Pharm”
– RELATED PODCAST: The LLVLC Show #520: Dr. BG From The ‘Animal Pharm’ Blog
– Tom Naughton from “Fat Head”
– RELATED PODCAST: Listen to Tom talk about resistant starch in Episode 100 of the “Low-Carb Conversations” podcast
– A Gut Microbiome, Soil-Based Probiotic, and Resistant Starch Primer For Newbies
– Probiotics: The Genetic Component of Obesity
– Dr. Grace Liu’s 7-Step Cure for SIBO
– Two Compromised Gut Case Studies
– Revisiting Resistant Starch: Part One
– Revisiting Resistant Starch: Part Two
– Revisiting Resistant Starch: Part Three
So sorry to tell you this Richard, do not give up your day job to become an interviewer. Your writing on the blog is great. Your interviewing skills are not. I’d say you interview as well as Jack Kruse writes, or maybe worse. Tim and Grace and Tom were all very good speakers. They were organized, clear and to the point. You Richard, on the other hand fumbled and stumbled and stuttered and lost your point repeatedly or got completely off track. When your book comes out, please let your co-authors do the talking.
Oops, looks like I overdid making Tim, Grace, and Tom look good. 🙂
Congratulations, Sick_Pleasure, on your display of the wit and analytical thinking skills of a sophomore in high school. You must be so proud.
Richard may have taken longer than others to finish his sentences–something that a mature and intelligent person would be sensitive to and patient with, not judgmental and derisive of–but he did lead an interesting discussion with pertinent questions, and he kept the conversation moving so that it did not last three hours (something that could have easily happened among four participants). Next time you host the show yourself, Sick_Pleasure, I will be sure to give you an account of your rhetorical inadequacies, as you have so politely done for Richard.
Moving on to adult topics of discussion, I appreciate Richard’s passion and willingness to press this issue in the face of initial apathy. To defend unpopular beliefs results in a lot of criticism and in some extreme cases, professional/community ostracism. Doing so thus requires real courage. It is exactly what Dr. Robert Atkins, for instance, did in the face of the endless bullying (congressional, industrial, medical establishment, you name it) he was treated to.
And just like Dr. Atkins, though on a smaller scale, Richard has become a thorn in the side of many of our LC friends that are stubbornly, eye-shuttingly, ear-pluggingly determined to reduce their cognitive dissonance and dismiss resistant starch as quack nonsense before even looking into it. At least a few of our community’s revered, anointed author-experts are disappointingly displaying just such an attitude. I hope for their sake that they wise up soon and stop being so closed-minded…otherwise, their eventual admission of RS’s relevance will be all the more humbling.
As I said on your own blog, as well as Calories Proper, Hubby and I are skipping this one. So far, the only food that works reliably time after time for us is cooked veggies (and not potatoes, either). We tried potato starch, cold potato salad, beans (numbers kept climbing higher after 2 hours), plantain flour, converted rice, etc., but keep coming back to cooked veggies (why? I don’t know). Maybe the root of all this is that you have to have a 100% healthy pancreas to begin with, or one that’s made 100% healthy with insulin. We don’t have that.
Kudos to Jimmy Moore for embracing the discussion of things he disagrees/used to disagree(?) with. A lesser man would either ignore or ridicule the resistant starch issue. To face it head on requires real courage, as I mentioned in my other comment, and maturity and wisdom as well.
I must admit, I have been dissatisfied with (at least my impression of) Jimmy’s ability to fight his own biases ever since I listened to his most recent LLVLC interview of Sally Fallon on the WAPF’s differences of opinion with paleo. To be blunt, Sally made some very interesting points, and it seemed to me that Jimmy did not really address the arguments she made but rather was determined to stand resolutely beside paleo no matter what.
However, I have noticed that many of Jimmy’s recent guest hosts have slightly (or not-so-slightly) different philosophies from his, and that did not stop him from giving them the floor. So perhaps I misjudged the SF/WAPF interview; perhaps there was more to it than met the eye and ear…maybe politics, sponsors, or other behind-the-scenes stuff that we in the peanut gallery are not privy to.
And, on RS in particular, I’m sure it helps that the ever wise and open-minded voice of reason, Tom Naughton, has come on board with this topic. That certainly did not hurt in convincing me to take this a little more seriously.
Whatever the reason(s), whatever the circumstances, I thank Jimmy for being open-minded and welcoming, and for continuing to be the true mecca of the LC/paleo/primal/ancestral/etc communities. I sincerely hope he continues podcasting, blogging, and writing for decades to come.
THANKS for your comments, Bret. One thing I hope my listeners will always hold me accountable for is being fair, open, and honest about everything that is shared on this podcast. It’s something I always strive for whenever I do a podcast. Thank you again for articulating what I try to do each and every time this microphone is open–give my listeners the best possible information about their health that they can use and apply in their own lives. Appreciate you listening, buddy.
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