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Hello and welcome back to The Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb Show With Jimmy Moore!
In today’s episode, Jimmy speaks with former Texas Southern University adjunct professor Brian Peskin. Brian is the author of The Hidden Story of Cancer: Find Out Why Cancer Has Medical Science on the Run and How a Simple Plan Based on New Science Can Prevent it. His work is primarily influenced by the research of German Nobel Lauriate Otto Warburg, whose studies posit that:
“Cancer, above all other diseases, has countless secondary causes. But, even for cancer, there is only one prime cause. Summarized in a few words, the prime cause of cancer is the replacement of the respiration of oxygen in normal body cells by a fermentation of sugar.”
Listen in for a wild ride of a conversation that covers everything from Diabetes prevention and why commercial fish oils are bad for you, to how pharmaceutical companies fudge their numbers to make Statins look good. All this and much, MUCH more can be heard in today’s don’t-miss episode!
LINKS MENTIONED IN EPISODE 316
– Professor Brian Peskin bio
– The Hidden Story of Cancer: Find Out Why Cancer Has Medical Science on the Run and How a Simple Plan Based on New Science Can Prevent it
– BrianPeskin.com
I think you’ve just blown your credibility having this guy on your show.
This guy throws out omega 3’s for omega 6. He claims that the studies showing the benefits of omega 3 are funded by the fish oil producers – nuts!!! 🙂
Go visit Dr. William Davis http://login.trackyourplaque.com with his years of actual real clinical experience if you want the truth as opposed to some nut job spin…
I totally disagree with your post…Everything he says is based on science as he said and not opinion. Most of his research comes from medical school text books and the research from Dr Otto Warburg MD PHd…the hell with track your plaque and is a non issue…Brian lectures to medical doctors all over this country and has many followers and many MDs in which some have been guest on this program… And before you start calling names know your facts first and where he is coming from…He does not throw out omega 3’s as we need them but only very little…Show me where he says he threw them….You can’t….
Wow- what a great interview! This is one of my favorites that I have listened too so far!
And to Ian Goldsmid, he never said to replace Omega-3’s with Omega-6’s, he felt that it is wrong to take extra Omega-3 because it upsets the balance we need of all the Omega Fatty Acids.
Jimmy, do you know if Professor Peskin mentioned anything else we can do to increase oxygen to the cells besides not consuming sugar? Thanks!
Ian, just because I have someone on my show doesn’t mean I agree 100% with what they say. I’ve had low-fat diet guru Dr. Dean Ornish on TWICE previously although I disagree with much of what he believes about nutrition. Let’s not get so settled in what we believe that we neglect to hear the viewpoints from every angle. I have great respect for Dr. William Davis too who has been on this podcast several times in the past as well.
THANKS for listening, April. Brian makes some engaging arguments for what he believes in this podcast and in his books. Check out his 24-HOUR DIET and THE HIDDEN STORY OF CANCER books for more information about much of what he talked about regarding these subjects.
April…
This is for you…I have known and followed Brian for almost a year. He is correct in every way. He speaks the truth and some do not like it.
Anyway…If you can purchase the book it will help you a lot. He tells us how to mix a formula that we can use but as he said there is one available if you do not want to mix your own…This is what I do…I go by the pharmancy and obtain a 16oz medicine bottle (plastic) . They will usually give them to you…obtain from Vitacost.com by the brand name Flora..
Omega 6 and Omega 3….The best ones to use are Sunflower Cold pressed organic Sunflower Oil and Safflower oil…Cold pressed and organic….5 oz of each =10oz…and 5 oz of Barlenes flax oil..I use high lignan and is a personal choilce..This is a 2-1 mix in favor or omega 6..Take 1 teaspoon per 160# weight…I had a issue with cancer before so I take about a table spoon….Also I like evening primrose oil capsules by Efamol..http://www.allstarhealth.com/f/flora-efamol_evening_primrose_oil.htm take 3 capsules of EMO(1000mg)and 1- 1000mg of omega 3 Barlenes. This is = to one teaspoon…my email is
sid_aust@msn.com if you have any question..
thanks
Thanks Sid Aust! I will definitely keep that in mind. Perhaps after Christmas is done I can afford to buy the book- just don’t have the money at the moment for extras! 🙂
I found the following article by Mary Enig helpful in interpreting some of the confusing information in this podcast…
http://www.westonaprice.org/Brian-Peskin-and-Essential-Fatty-Acids.html
Great interview Jimmy. I loved his enthusiasm and I really like that he bases his opinion on science. His book is not available on Amazon – out of stock!
Kim,
He is very much aware of what she says from the Weston Price Foundation.
She is being critical of Brian without reading all of his material, So don’t get off message of what he is really saying. What she says is total crap…
Would love some more clarification on the role of O3s in a healthy diet or supplementation regime..I don’t believe Peskin is implying O3s are bad, per se, but rather than excessive O3s relative to O6s are bad…
I have a lot of respect for the Weston A. Price Foundation – and for Dr. Enig – and seriously doubt she would risk her reputation as a nutritionist without fully understanding the claims she was criticizing. I don’t doubt Brian is aware of what is being said about him – I’m just trying to make sense of information that doesn’t really mesh with what I’ve read on the topic so far.
This stuff makes me a bit wary too:
http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/Peskin/peskin.html
http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/Peskin/complaint.html
GREAT interview, Jimmy. Thank you so much for this. I am new to this website, but I have read all of Peskin’s books. I will admit that Peskin comes off like a used car salesman sometimes. I think that’s unfortunate. But when you read his books and see exactly where he gets his information, it’s hard to argue with his findings.
I would liked for him to have better justified his advice to consume supplemental omega-6, since he must know that is contrary to what most say. And the idea that we need supplemental safflower, primrose, etc just seems plain wrong to me. Never in human history has mankind used these oils in any quantity, so how the heck can we be genetically adapted to them? He had some intriguing ideas, and I’m not totally writing him off yet (I will check out his site) but so far he seems more salesman than scientist.
Most doctors in the 50’s said to smoke Camels, are you part of the herd that has a huge peer pressure need to follow the conventional wisdom, or can you think for yourself?
You’re getting hung up on the oils, we may not be genetically adapted to those oils in particular, but we ARE adapted to & have a definite nutritional need for the Linoleic & Alpha Linolenic acids IN those oils. So the recommendation to take those oils in particular is simply because they are the best high quantity source of L.A. & A.L.A.
The justification for taking those acids in the ratio he recommends is because of the ratio of their presence in our bodies, details can be found here: http://www.brianpeskin.com/BP.com/reports/OptimumPEOratio-CAMB.pdf
He has said many, many times he does not care if you like him or not.He says believe in the science….He’s no dummy…….our lives against cancer may depend on what he says is correct…Read what the Doctors say around this country who he lectures too all over the country…
THANKS for the great feedback everyone! Sounds like a follow-up with him in 2010 may be in order. 😀
Brian S. Peskin Charged with Deception
http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/Peskin/peskin.html
The post from Coach Jeff about Peskin being charged with deception is not as sinister as it appears . . .
First of all, Stephen Barrett and his “Quackwatch” website is not as credible as you might think. (It’s sort of like how people think the Better Business Bureau is some sort of independent defender of truth and ethics when it’s nothing of the sort. But that’s another post entirely.)
I have read Peskin’s explanation with what those charges were all about, and I am satisfied with his explanation. It wasn’t much more than failing to follow fairly arcane labeling regulations. Anyone who has owned a business will be able to relate to the legalistic trivia that one can get ensnared in.
I have the full Peskin explanation on my hard drive. Anyone interested in reading it may email me directly at billymuellerATgmail.com
I downloaded the document from his website but can’t remember where it was exactly inside all those links.
I should point out that I’m not associated with him in any way. I rigorously looked into Peskin because my wife got cancer and I wanted to be damn sure I was not adhering to the beliefs of some charlatan.
While Peskin’s personality is fairly off-putting (at least to me), I find him to be credible. He also answers emails, by the way. Very stand-up guy.
Please understand that “studies” are not science because they are often interpreted incorrectly. Example: For decades, the medical journals and “studies” misled physicians into believing lots of carbohydrates are great and healthy. What do we now have? A diabetes epidemic. Physiology and biochemistry instantly show that fallacy, if anyone cared to look. No “studies” are required then or now. Consensus alone does not make it correct. Medical science is required from state-of-the-art biochemistry and physiology, along with the ability to “connect-the-dots” — not merely more studies. My book, “The Hidden Story of Cancer” details this significant difference as well as gives examples of popular opinion vs. medical science.
As an example, in 2009 The American Heart Association reversed its position reading omega-6 stating,” “‘[O]mega-6 PUFAs also have powerful anti-inflammatory properties that counteract any pro-inflammatory activity.” Anyone calling omega-6 harmful: “‛That reflects a rather naive understanding of the biochemistry.” (Circulation, February 17, 2009, pages 1-6). Did you see this medical journal article? Probably not. Harvard published the worthlessness of fish oil to either stop or reverse heart disease back in 1995 with an experiment (1 variable only). Regardless, with no physiologic basis, fish oil is pronounced as wonderful. It is anything but as my video (http://pinnacle-press.com/Fish-Oil-2/index.html) details
Mary Enig did not read my work and mounted a personal attack. Tragically, science often suffers from this. I lecture world-wide because my state-of-the art science is in demand. MDs and PhDs want to learn of my discovery built on the work of Nobel Prize- winner Otto Warbourg, MD, PhD.
The physician/medical researcher accolades of my book, “The Hidden Story of Cancer” from all medical disciplines are extraordinary. My recommendations are clinically implemented by numerous physicians worldwide. Please see http://www.brianpeskin.com for health professional reviews after they read my articles and book.
To intelligently discuss this subject, a basic physiology/biochemistry background in tissue structure is required and until it is learned no one is in a position to make intelligent conclusions or even offer an intelligent discussion of the topic. Often, the truth in science is counter-intuitive, and one must follow the science and real-life results — not just what “sounds good.”
Politics as well as science is loaded with things that sound good but are dead wrong. Example: The statement that “Lots and lots of carbs are great because they contain no fat nor cholesterol, nor is any animal killed.” is correct, but that diet will kill you over time and add you to the ranks of the overweight and diabetes epidemic as this forum knows all too well.
Please read my articles published in the distinguished “Townsend Letter for Physicians,” (2007) for an excellent summary of my work, the peer-reviewed “Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons,” (Fall 2008), or the chapter I was asked to author in the medical textbook: “Glycolysis:Regulation, Processes, and Disease (2009) and then discuss.
Thank you.
April,
I researched Otto Warburg’s cancer cure awhile back, and I remember his main point was to eat dark green lettuce each day (like green leaf or romaine). Something to do with the chlorophyll in the lettuce enabling the body to process oxygen.
I have read a lot of Brian’s site, and watched several of his videos. His two-part video on the dangers of supplemental fish oil were convincing enough to me that I threw my fish oil in the trash. The guy is obviously very smart and well informed, and I’m inclined to believe that the info on quackwatch is much ado about nothing.
Having said that, I am still not convinced that all carbs = evil. I believe fructose is by far the main “evil sugar” – and that glucose, as found in starches – is relatively benign in the absence of fructose. Unless of course you’re metabolism is already damaged, as is the case with many (perhaps most) folks in the US.
If all carbs are pathogenic then how the heck do those Kitava folks do so well, despite smoking like crazy?
http://nutrition-and-physical-regeneration.com/blog/629/native-nutrition/slaying-the-low-carb-dragon-wisdom-from-the-pacific-islands/
his wife was exercising and maintaining her weight but still developed type 1 diabetes as he puts it??? was she a child bride??? type 1 is not acquired by poor diet or on account of lack of exercise or overweight. type 1 is also called childhood diabetes and is probably autoimmune in nature. and those w/ type 2 can still wind up injecting insulin. even if it is type 1 his wife acquired as an adult it was not on account of her weight or diet. so despite this blunder we’re supposed to revere “professor” peskin?? when i saw you were going to interview him i alerted you to mary enig’s objections which another listener has referenced, above.
Brain Peskin,
How would paleolithic humans have obtained great quantities of parent EFAs (particularly LA) on a diet consisting primarily of meat along with seafood, insects, seasonal fruits and vegetables, and SMALL amounts of nuts/seeds (but no vegetable/seed oils)?
As humans were shaped by millions of years of evolution on such a diet, there is no evolutionary precedent for a high dietary intake parent EFAs (from vegetable/seed oils).
This is for you SSS…He has stated before maybe not this interview..The oils would not help his wife. He tried but just did not work…Type I is a little different than type 2….
Ragnar,
There is no such thing as Parent EFAs…Don’t know where that term came from..The Parent Essential Oil are his term to distinguishe beween Essential Fatty Acids…Long ago the meat that was used had the correct ratio of omega 6 as they were grass feed or that it what they eat…now they are corn, wheat feed which is a lot different…
Kim,
This is for you thats a complement to be on Quackwatch..A lot of other outstanding doctors have been on the list too and i mean outstanding…
So I would not pay any attention to the BS on Quackwatch…believing them you have totally lost your creditability…
http://www.brianpeskin.com/reports/Truth%20of%20PEOs%20CAMB.pdf
Go to his web site and start reading..For you who are so closed minded you might learn something. You have one industry the medical profession who kills close to 300,000 people a year. What would have if the airline industry killed 300.000 people a year. They would be shut down and most would be sent to jail……Don’t close your mind to this. I believe it will be one of the greatest discoveries in our life time in the fight against cancer. As Dr Warburg said millions will die if research goes another direction…and it …and millions have died….
Coach–glucose (all carbohydrates) cause problems; very severe ones…: Carbohydrates Known to Lower Immune System Known in 1977: Carbohydrates suppress the activity of your immune system — in addition to making you fat. “Analyzing blood drawn from subjects, white cell activity was measured before and after various doses of carbohydrates (sugar): 6, 12, 18, and 24 teaspoons worth.” Remember, the average American consumes at least 70 teaspoons of sugar equivalents (carbohydrates) a day, often consuming over 20 teaspoons of sugar at a single meal.
DECREASED white blood cell activity was directly correlated with carbohydrate consumption. The group consuming the 24 teaspoons had virtually complete immobilization of white blood cells within an hour after eating. The immunosupression occurred for up to 2 hours with adverse effects of blood cell activity continued for up to 5 hours.
Furthermore, following the popular nutritional advice to eat 5-6 times a day with a carbohydrate-based diet can cause great harm to your immune
system.
If you are an athlete, of course, you burn up the blood sugar quickly, but if you aren’t an athlete you are headed for disaster.
ref.: “Saying No to Vaccines,” Sherri Tenpenny, D.O., NMA Media Press, Cleveland,
Ohio, page 171, 2008. Ref.: “Depression of lymphocyte transformation following
oral glucose ingestion,” American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 1977;30:613.
Regarding fructose, you are correct. As quoted from the medical textbook, “Principles of Medical Biochemistry,” page 349:
➣ “Excess fructose is toxic….
➣ “Also, the liver metabolizes fructose faster than
glucose…
➣ “…excess fructose [from just two pieces of fruit] can cause
liver damage.”
Wow Sid – thanks for informing me of my “loss of credibility.” I had no idea. I feel so much better now…
I’m not so sure those of us asking questions are the closed minded ones on this forum.
Brian – I would love to hear you address Ragnar’s question to you. He raises a good point.
Wow, this is a very inriguing and mind challenging podcast. Every time I see 20 or more replies to the podcast I know it is either controversial or provocotive of some sorts. Let me put my two cents into this discussion and prehaps make a suggestion for Jimmy Moore. Jimmy if you read this let me know of my idea. But thats later, for now I want to write my own opinion about Brian Peskin and his work. This man managed to twist my mind like few people could have done it before. I do know physiology and biochemisty, not on PhD level but fundamentally enough. Cancer etiology is uknown, period. There are many theories out there including one tha Brian presented. So what are we to believe? It is mind bogging how many doctors, researchers, scientists and businessman are out there trying to make a dollar on health crisis. Cancer is one of those fields and topics where people are desperate enough to do whatever it takes to be saved from it. Cancer is way too personal to me too. My mom has recenty been diagnosed with metastatic colon cancer that spread to to her liver, around 90 percent of it. She had been diagnosed with colon cancer in 2001. That time it was rather small ans simple surgery took care of it. She was one of the lucky ones to have been diagnosed with it in the earliest possible stages, it was stage 1. She didnt even need chemo at all. The chances of colon cancer recurring after 9 years is less than 10 percent, especially the stage 1 my mom had. She had done everything right over the years, at least we thought she did. She did annual colonoscopy, took multivitamins. She ate only home made meals with plenty of omega 6 oils. Her diet mainly consisted of fish, meat, vegetables and low glycemic fruits along with lots of walnuts, flax oil and seeds. She daily exercised as well. And 9 years later the shocker came. She developed slight fever and pain on her right side and was taken to ER. When the results of the CScan came back it was a shocker. Stage 4 metastatic cancer of possible colon origin that metastasized to the liver and lungs. She was given up to 6 months to live. My cousin is the director of NYU cancer medical center of Queens and he immediately put her into the hands of Dr Kemeny, a wolrd renowned oncologist at Sloan Memorial. She was immediately operated on. Not the removal of cancer, it was too spread and too large. They performed a liver pump. It is the device that is implanted under the skin and it allows the delivery of infused chemo in the amount of 400 times the normal systemic chemo. To make the long sory shorter, it has been almost 6 months now and her tumor had shrunk from 12.5 cm to 3.5 cm and she is being considered for liver resection in a few months. Basically she went from dead in 6 months to now possibly being cured at least until it comes back. But the chances are that she might be one of the luckiest people alive and come out of stage 4 incurable cancer and live up to 5, 10 or 20 years until God wants her. Whats the point of my story. Bear with me. I also have a friend whos wife was recently diagnosed with early stage thyroid cancer. She is a health fanatic. She flatly refused to have chemo done. She is a believer in alternative and natural route. Her oncologist warned her that her thyroid tumor needed to be removed immediately since it was fast growing variety. She didnt heed the advice and went to top clinic in Germany to seek alternative route. 3 months later she was airlifted to states in coma because one of the natural agents she was given put her in anaphylactic shock. She is on her way to recovery now after being operated and given bad old chemo! The point of my story is the following: We just dont know what causes mutation of the cells. I do beleive it might be oxygen deprivation on cellular level. But how many people do we know that eat total crap, smoke, drink and never have cancer. And how many are out there that do many things right to only come up with it. Is it oxygen deprivation on cellular level, may be. Is it of viral etiology? Who knows. Can it be possibly caused by some other patterns? Prehaps. But what about environmental factors. Air quality? Stress? Water qualtiy? Can cancer be of multifacorial nature? We dont know. So if we dont even know what causes it, how can we be sure waht heals it?????? I know of anecdotal stories of people being treated in Mexico and Germany by insane amounts of this and that. Is it true? may be. There is even such a thing as spontaneous regression in cancer where cancer disappears on its own. I heard of people whos cancer dissipated after prayer and meditation. But do we start claiming meditation heals it? Am I saying Brian is all wrong and he shouldnt be taken seriously? No! But he is one of many who claims they know the truth,. But how do we decide what the truth is and who to believe. One guy said take omega 2 and forget omega 6, anothe rsaid just the opposite. How many statements have we heard from many so called exeprts that totally contradict each other? Is Brian for real as my coworker young guy likes to say? I have no clue. It was intresting to listen to him. But there are also so many charlatans out there who people follow blindly and make them rich.
Brian, a freind of mine works for a defensive attorney. They administer lie detective test to defendents on volanteer bases. Would you like to take one for the world to have your credebility not being questioned. I think all scientist should take one before we start taking them seriosly.
jimmy, here is a comment for you. I think it would be a great idea to start pinning two guest on your show to have a debate. Wouldnt it be intresting to have two intelligent guys go at each other trying to prive a point. I am not being sarcastic. I think in debates and arguments the truth is born. But until we know for sure I think following a wholesome low carb lifestyle with plenty of stress relief activities along with prayer and quality time with friends with and family is a good way to go toward healthy and long life. And then it is up to God in the end, isnt it?????
I appologize for any grammar or spelling mistakes. I was rushed by the desk clerk who is too eagor to go on break.
I’ll consider the debate format Vadim.
read gary taubes’s “good calories, bad calories” on cancer – actually read the entire book. all over the world, cancer was rarely seen in non-western populations eating their traditional low carb almost no sugar diets until those populations were exposed to milled/refined grains and sugars in abundance. that’s clue number 1. excess carbs produce excessive insulin release ALONG WITH insulin like growth factors which are implicated in cancer growth. taubes acknowledges warburg – respiration versus fermentation. (fermentation of sugar in cancer cells.) taubes also points out that diets high in certain PUFAs – omega 6 – which are obtained in high amounts through plant oils other than olive (soy, corn, rapeseed, cotton seed, grape seed, etc.) are associated w/ increased death and cancer. (don’t have the book in front of me, but when i encountered that in GC,BC i thought i’d read the same in mary enig’s stuff.) luckily those non-western peoples never had access to them.
it would be great if “prof.” peskin could address ragnar’s comment, above. it is indeed highly pertinent. and expert that he is, it’d be swell if he could unconfuse himself about diabetes types 1 and 2.
This in response of Vadium…That was a great post and really enjoyed reading it. I am really sorry about your mother. It is terrible to see our love one get any type of cancer. I know because I had colon cancer in 07 and doing good now. When you say she had plenty of omega 6 oils…What do you mean plenty…how much omega 3 oils did she get? What kind of Omega 6..(adulterated oils from the supermarket or were they organic)What kind of omega 3?? One cant’ get all of the omega 3 and 6 needs from nuts and seeds.You stated there were plenty theories out there similar to what Brian Presented. You said you knew something of Physiology and Biochemistry..Do you believe science? Thats deep now..think about it…Could you name some of them (the theories). You got to understand this is no theory…Just fact. Dr Otto Warburg Phd..MD 2 time nobel prize in medicine proved without shadow of doubt cancer is caused by lack of oxygen to the cells. No matter where the cancer is in the body it is caused by the same thing…that is lack of oxgen to the cells. There is a lot of secondary causes but it always going back to the main cause. It was proved in this country also several times. Brian took his discovery further
with the oils….
“Brian, a friend of mine works for a defensive attorney. They administer lie detective test to defendents on volanteer bases. Would you like to take one for the world to have your credebility not being questioned. I think all scientist should take one before we start taking them seriosly.”
Your statement above is non sense. Everything he says is based on science and most of his work comes from medical textbooks that are used in medical schools… that does not have anything to do with credebility…Why would you even question his credibility? Just because he is not from the medical field does not make less creditable. He is not financed by the govt grants. He speaks to cancer doctors all over the world and to say he may be a charlatan is beyond stupid…Get his book read the science before making any further comments that make you look stupid. If you have half a brain you will understand where he is coming from and backed by science.
You state also there are a lot of people trying to make a million $$$$ on the health crisis…You are correct with that statement for sure…think drug companies…$12,000 for one chemo treatment…
There may be a lot of people trying to make a million…don’t know, but is it based on science and not opinion as Brian says…I don’t think so, as he is the first one to connect the dots….with what science says and what we are being told which is the opposite. CASE CLOSED….
I originally challenged Brian’s information 10 years ago because like almost everyone out there, I firmly believed that we needed “carbohydrates for energy”. I was told this by the government, doctors, nutritionists, the newspapers, TV, and every single media source out there. Just like everyone else I believed this.
I was wrong.
No matter how sound Brian’s science is, no matter how right he is (and he is), it is going to be next to impossible for people to accept it because of the decades of “Carbohydrate Experiment Indoctrination” we have received.
Do what I did and see the difference; take a very simple test:
Go out and do some exercise on a high carbohydrate diet. BE AWARE of how your body functions. The next time you have the same exercise come around, change one thing: your diet. Eat a very low carb meal of a steak and a glass of water. Go for that exercise and see the difference. You will see the difference. Everyone who takes this challenge sees the difference. You can fool your brain, but you cannot fool your body.
There are a lot of good discussions on this podcast, both pro and con. To all the cons out there who are having trouble accepting what Brian is sharing (and this is not his science, but rather him connecting all of the dots), do the test and let your body override your mind. You. will. see.
I did.
It is life-altering.
This is a response to Sid Aust.
Why would you even question his credibility? Just because he is not from the medical field does not make less creditable. He is not financed by the govt grants. He speaks to cancer doctors all over the world and to say he may be a charlatan is beyond stupid…Get his book read the science before making any further comments that make you look stupid. If you have half a brain you will understand where he is coming from and backed by science.
You are absolutely right maam or sir or whoever else you might be! I capitultate. Brian is Messiah! I will totally bow down to him and his studies without having any evidence at all. I did go to his website and read his articles for 4 hours today. I dont want to analize, after all what good is it for a man with half the brain?
But please allow me for a second to understand you. You keep saying people are not open minded, but there is noone in here more closedminded than you are. But you are right in few areas no doubt. One being that a peson doesnt need medical degree to be a scintist or be right. Absolutely! I dont question Brian’s theory because he is not a medical scientist, there are pletny of other reasons.
You would be suprised how many scientists out there are liers, sharlatans and demagagoue. I just dont get one thing what makes you an expert on science. So far everyone who disagreed is either a closed minded fool or missing a brain or science. You are so full of fecal matter! There is no agreement on anything in cancer world, none! There is a golden rule in SCIENCE. Its called Cause and Effect. Any credible scientist out there will explain it to you. I wont go into it. Just because every cancer growth is accompanied by oxygen deprivation doesnt mean it is caused by it. Again miss or sir, what came first egg or chicken? May be, just may be its the opposite and oxygen deprivation is a cause of cancer growth or cell mutation???? Oh no, did I suggest that???? ok, no need to call me an idiot or half brain man, I will do it for you. I am an idiot for suggesting that. But I have seen maaaaaaaany scientists disguised in noble dresses just to make a buck out of suffereing people. You would be shocked how many sharlatans are out there. And I am not saying or suggesting Brian is in any form. I dont know him and would never go after his views or intentions. I am simply questioning his findings. If there are people out there who want to experiment and follow Brain’s protocol, more power to them, i am all for experiments. But to claim that Brian has found a penicia for cancer and knows it all is a bit premature, foolish and naive. There are few other ares I totally diagree with Brian as well. But i wont go into it. You are right its not about Brian’s credibility, its about credibility of his findings. I would love to continue this very intelligent discussion with you, but it would defy the purpose. I get it, utnil people agree with you or Brian they are half brained, stupid and close minded. Wayt to go!
I was impressed by Brian Peskin. I went to his website and watched his speech from September as well. I am not a scientist. It is very hard to tell who has a corner on the truth. It is very important to me to know how to live a healthy life. Dr. Mike Eades blogs the same criticisms about junk science studies that the media grabs like a sound bite.
The points that impressed me:
cancer is not genetic, cancer thrives on carbs, cancer cause is oxygen deprivation at the cellular level. Yes, the typical American eats too much omega 6 but the quality is so poor, we are still starving for it. We do need omega 3, but fish oil is also a processed food.
I have been paying attn to the omega 6:3 ratio articles. Even though it sounds as though he is saying the opposite of what I thought I knew, he really isn’t. This isn’t controversial to me. We got to get off processed food! Besides, low carb is going against the tide of conventional wisdom. That seemed crazy at first too! The more I blow my mind, the easier it gets.
I was disappointed to read Mary Enig’s article. I respect her as well.
Quackwatch seems to benefit the industries that want to keep us sick. IMHO.
http://www.canlyme.com/quackwatch.html
http://www.raysahelian.com/quackwatch.html
http://www.quackpotwatch.org/quackpots/quackpots/barrett.htm
Let’s keep the discussion civil please. Great comments everyone!
Thank you, Jimmy, I agree wholeheartedly.
Vadim – there is no need to be insulting people, saying they are full of fecal matter, etc. It serves no purpose. You have some very good insights, but when you resort to personal attacks, instead of sticking to the facts (the science, actually) it discredits your standpoint and dilutes what you wish to say.
Another excellent “test” that I have shared with dozens of people, is what I call the “breakfast test”. It goes something like this:
One morning have a typically high-carb breakfast consisting of some of the following: cereal, milk, oatmeal, toast, bagel, jam, juice, fruit, pastry. Every single thing in that list is a carbohydrate.
Note how you feel during the day. BE AWARE (this is critical because most people do not realize that food is one of the most powerful “hormones” we can ingest and it affects all of our systems dramatically).
Do you feel groggy? Are you famished before lunch? Irritable? Thirsty? Can’t concentrate? Have to go to the bathroom often? Anything else?
Be Aware. Take notes. This is an experiment and your body is the test tube.
Another morning fry up one or two eggs, a few pieces of bacon, have some cheese. Everything here is non-carbohydrate.
Again, BE AWARE, note how your body functions during the morning.
Do you find that noon comes and goes and you aren’t even thinking about food, or snacks, or anything like that? Be aware.
Your body will SHOW YOU that it responds, reacts, works far better on the low carbohydrate meal than it does on the high “for energy” carb meal that we have always been taught is good for us.
You’ll see.
Don’t “armchair prosetylize” this.
TEST it.
Be a scientist, not a news reporter, parroting incorrect information that is not based on science.
Really, your body WILL tell you beyond the shadow of any doubt what it needs, and your mind will be blown away as your ego screams, “NO NO NO I CAN’T ACCEPT THIS!!!!!”
The question is, what are you going to do about it? Listen to your body? Or let your ego rule your health?
In the end, the choice is yours.
Just do the tests, experiment, please.
Then come back and share your REAL LIFE EXAMPLE from a first person standpoint.
My response….to you…Vadim…(Miss or MR)
Brian is Messiah! (HE MAY BE SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP)
I did go to his website and read his articles for 4 hours today. I dont want to analize, after all ….(GREAT)
You keep saying people are not open minded, but there is noone in here more closedminded than you are. (DOES THAT MEAN YOU TOO)
Absolutely! I dont question Brian’s theory because he is not a medical scientist, there are pletny of other reasons. (WOULD YOU MIND NAMING SOME)
You would be suprised how many scientists out there are liers, sharlatans and demagagoue. ( THAT I IS WILL AGREE BUT Brain Peskin IS NOT AMONG THEM)
So far everyone who disagreed is either a closed minded fool or missing a brain or science. (YOU SAID IT NOT ME)
You are so full of fecal matter! (NOT WORTHY OF A RESPONSE)
There is no agreement on anything in cancer world, none! (THAT WHY NOT ONE CANCER CURE HAS EVER BEEN FOUND BECAUSE SCIENTIST ARE ON A MERRY GO ROUND AND THERE HAS NOT BEEN ONE CURE IN THE LAST 100 YEARS AS THERE IS TOO MUCH MONEY TO BE MADE IN TRYING TO FIND A CURE. IT IS MORE A ABOUT A MEANS TO AN ENDING RATHER THAN AN ENDING IN ITSELF)
I am simply questioning his findings ( HIS FINDINGS ARE BASED ON SCIENCE NOT OPINION AS HE SAYS AND HE HAS NEVER BEEN PROVEN WRONG AS YOU ARE TRYING TO DO NOW AND NEITHER HAS DR OTTO WARBURG…MD…PHD
THANK YOU…..
In case there is some confusion here, (since the primary talking points so far keeping coming back to the defense of a low carb diet) I was NOT questioning the benefits of limiting carbohydrates – I think most of us are 110% on board with that. It’s the part about the “need” for processed oils like sunflower and safflower that has me baffled. I’m still waiting for someone to intelligently address Ragnar’s question:
“How would paleolithic humans have obtained great quantities of parent EFAs (particularly LA) on a diet consisting primarily of meat along with seafood, insects, seasonal fruits and vegetables, and SMALL amounts of nuts/seeds (but no vegetable/seed oils)?
As humans were shaped by millions of years of evolution on such a diet, there is no evolutionary precedent for a high dietary intake parent EFAs (from vegetable/seed oils).”
Sid attempted to answer it by saying that traditional grassfed meat has the “correct” ratio of omega 6 to omega 3 – which is true; however, grassfed meat has far LESS omega 6 than feedlot/cornfed meat – not more (3:1 v. 20:1 – http://www.mercola.com/beef/health_benefits.htm).
So I’m remain skeptical…
The problem I have with citing low-carb eating hunter-gatherer types as “proof” of how carbs cause cancer, and minimizing them prevents cancer, is that there were also cultures on HIGH carb diets that were likewise free of cancer.
Kitava Islanders for one. Sir Robert McCarrison, one of my all-time nutrition heroes, lived and worked in India for about 20 years and observed splendid health on high carb intakes, along with no cancer. Burkitt observed African tribes that ate lots of carbs, yer were cancer free. (Though he does appear to have been wrong about his “fiber hypothesis”)
In short, low carb diets are great for those with metabolic disorders, which may be most of us in “advanced” nations. It’s also the best way to reduce calories (Yes calories DO count!) without being hungry, to lose weight.
But there are just too many REAL WORLD examples which flat-out disprove the “all carbs are evil hypothesis.” You can use fancy sounding scientific explanations all day to “prove” all carbs are of the devil, but REAL WORLD evidence refutes the hypothesis.
As for anyone who says you cannot gain weight on a very low carb diet, you are wrong.
Insulin other than not being the only factor involved in fat storage is also the less important one in weight gain. Fat doesn’t cause any kind of insulin response (unlike carbs and protein) and yet if you eat 4000 calories of butter you gain weight thanks to the acylation stimulation protein which allows fat alone to stimulate fat metabolism and balance in the complete absence of insulin (meaning no protein and no carbs)
I gained close to 10 pounds recently on one. And it was not muscle. How you ask? How can one gain fat with low insulin levels?
Because of acylation stimulation protein!
nsulin is NOT required for fat storage folks!
“It takes absolutely miniscule amonts of insulin to affect fat cell metabolism, protein raises insulin plenty to do this and fat can be stored without insulin contrary to what Taubes and his followers think.” – Lyle McDonald
“In my opinion, the most important finding of The Kitava Study is that a high-carbohydrate diet does not necessarily lead to elevated fasting insulin. This is why I think the statement “carbohydrate drives insulin drives fat” is an oversimplification. What drives fat accumulation is chronically high insulin (hyperinsulinemia), which the Kitavans do not have. With a properly-functioning pancreas and insulin-sensitive tissues (which many people in industrial societies do not have), a healthy person can eat a high-carbohydrate meal and keep blood glucose under control. Insulin definitely spikes, but it’s temporary. The rest of the day, insulin is at basal levels. The Kitavans show that insulin spikes per se do not cause hyperinsulinemia. ” – Stephan of Whole Health Source
Sid attempted to answer it by saying that traditional grassfed meat has the “correct” ratio of omega 6 to omega 3 – which is true; however, grassfed meat has far LESS omega 6 than feedlot/cornfed meat – not more (3:1 v. 20:1 –
Thats the reason you have to ad more omega 6 to your diet…pure cold pressed and organic…thats the reason your body needs them as the body does not make them and are called essential as they do not have that it had before…thanks…good post….
This a note…At a meeting back in Aug. of this year I believe. Brian and Dr Mercoda had lunch together and discussed in length about the discoveries of Brian etc. Dr Mercoda was very impressed with his finding and will be making a comment sometime in the near future as he said. He said he was going to do a little research himself…did you see how he does not recomend Cod liver oil any longer…Brian does not either and knows the dangers of fish oil..thanks and enjoyed the post.
(Kitava Islanders for one. Sir Robert McCarrison, one of my all-time nutrition heroes, lived and worked in India for about 20 years and observed splendid health on high carb intakes, along with no cancer. Burkitt observed African tribes that ate lots of carbs, yer were cancer free. (Though he does appear to have been wrong about his “fiber hypothesis”))))
India has an epidemic of diabetes because of high card diet…how does one explain that??? its there you have to look..
interesting post…
nov. 9, 2009
In a shocking revelation, the 20th annual World Diabetes Congress of the International Diabetic Federation has said that India leads the world in the looming epidemic of diabetes. The country currently has the highest number of 50.8 million people suffering from diabetes, followed by China with 43.2 million and the US with 26.8 million. By 2010 almost seven percent of India’s adult population will have the disease.
http://www.zeenews.com/news578818.html
the whole article……
so your arguement do not hold water….sorry good try….
cancer,diabetes, low carb, high carb must learn the difference..
Hi Sid Aust – McCarrison did his studies in the 1930s, when they still ate real food. Of course they now have high diabetes on high REFINED carb and sugar diet. Just like the PIma Indians who used to eat lots of REAL carbs, yet were slim and trim. Then they adopted the SAD diet and got fat and diabetic. Just like Pacific Islanders who ate yams, taro, etc and were lean and free of diabetes, then get fat and diabetic on SAD diet.
Where were all the fat diabetics among those studied by Weston price on their HIGH carb intakes of REAL food?
Again, there are far too many REAL WORLD examples which totally refute the all carbs are evil hypothesis.
Though all carbs probably are evil within the context of modernized people’s since most are deficient in vitamin D and magnesium, (both of which are critical to proper glucose metabolism) are sedentary (exercise improves insulin sensitivity) get their carbs largely from fructose (Which is the main sugar causing insulin resistance) and highly refined grains, and eat lots of wheat lectins which may bind with leptin receptors and cause subsequent letpin resistance. Oh yeah…we also eat a lot of refined vegetable oils which also probably contribute to insulin resistance.
So yeah…within the context of modern, industrial nations – an LC diet is probably just about mandatory for most of us. Including myself.
“Thats the reason you have to ad more omega 6 to your diet…pure cold pressed and organic…thats the reason your body needs them as the body does not make them and are called essential as they do not have that it had before…thanks…good post….”
What is the reason you have to add more omega 6 to your diet?
In situation A., ancient man ate grassfed meat, which has a very low omega 6 ratio. Where were they getting their “essential” omega 6s then? Ancient man didn’t get cancer. It’s a modern disease of civilization.
In situation B., modern man is eating tons of factory-farmed meat (MUCH higher omega 6 ratio) and getting cancer left and right. So why would you add more omega 6s to that equation?
Its the processed omega 6 that is the problem…The kind you purchase in stores. Sunflower,Safflower, canola, etc…These are ruined…and are like poison that get in your system. …Its ok to them just ad some of the organic cold processed kind back in your die…
best,
The organic, coldpressed oils are still processed oils, and would have been unavailable to our ancestors. This still doesn’t answer the question of why they’re suddenly vital to our health.
Ditto.
But let me try to spell this out:
Paleolithic humans (over 10,000 years ago) did not have omega 6 (linoleic acid) rich plant oils (unprocessed, organic, etc.) to add to their diet; same goes for modern hunter-gatherers. The only great source of omega 6 available to them were nuts and seeds–food they could not get regularly at the local paleolithic grocery store.
Why would human health depend so critically on food–or nutrients to be more precise–not readily available to us until quite recently? That is, since linoleic acid (LA) must be obtained through diet and humans evolved over millions of years on a low dietary intake of LA, it would seem highly improbable that natural selection would have favored high dietary intake of LA as critical to our survival.
As Weston Price and others have documented, modern isolated hunter-gatherer groups appear to be in excellent health overall, free of cancer and degenerative diseases. These groups have a characteristically low intake of LA–often less than 3% of daily energy if I recall correctly!
This is the question myself and others would like the all science no opinion, world’s most trusted authority, #1 professor to humbly answer.
* by “unprocessed” I mean cold-pressed.
no they are not…supermarket brands are heated so they will last longer on the shelf of the store..organic oils are cold pressed without any heat and will ruin if left out…not sure I follow your line of reasoning…get and read his books and read
3%?? that’s a start. the paper to read is mary enig’s “the oiling of america.” if not there i recall somewhere encountering the figure of 1/2 of 1 percent for omega sixes as opposed to the modern diet that on account of plant oils (other than olive) is about 20%.
Sid Aust, what a difference one comment makes! I really appreciate your calm, collected and respectful response. It trully makes a difference. We might diagree on few things, but we do agree on the general concept of nutrition. I do sincerely appologize for saying you are full of fecal matter. i might have not explained myself correctly but I meant more metaphorically than anything else and I aimed more at your conviction rather than personality or substance. Again, i hope no hard feelings. I am an emotional person and the most annoying trait of personality I cant accept in people is intolerance. Be it intolerance to their beliefs or anything else. Thats why the whole man history is full of blood.
Sid, I am not saying Brian is a charlatan. I am not saying Brian is wrong. I am not saying Brian is not credible. I am saying I dont know! But it is my nature to question everything and everyone! There is absolutely no harm in experimenting on Brian’s healing protocol. Having 2.5 to 1 of cold pressed organic sunflower oil mixed with organic flax oil is not a bit dangerous at least for a long time no matter if you believe him or not. off course some people do stupid things and fry in flax oil which completely defyes the purpose and makes flax oil dangerous. Sid I am happy that you are so enthusiastic about Brian and his approach but you cant claim he is right beyound reasonable doubt. We can inteligently discuss this subject matter without resorting to name calling and intolerance. And in the spirit of christmas I invite you with open arms.
Ok, now to few points you made. You are incorrect in claiming that none of the current medical protocol is working when it comes to treating and curing cancer. As bad as chemotherapy drug infusion is it doesn help people. I do agree with you that side effects from chemotherapy might be detrimental but it is benefit vs the risks in medicine. And in the past 10 years oncology and pharmaceutical companies leaped much further in improving chemotherapy and making it much more tolerant than before. I am not defending drug industry here but it is too naive to vilify all of them either. Not all drug companies are evil. Yes, the bottom line is making money but money money is bottom line for all. Brian too made a lot of money selling his products, otherwise he wouldnt settle wityh state of Texas in the amount close to a million dollars. Thats his God given right to make money and sell his products. But saying that all drug companies are driven by pure profits and nothing else is not 100 percent true. There are true scientist out there who work for drug companies that are decent and wonderful people who pursue a dream to one day heal people. i work in world’s renowned medical instituition called Suny Downstate Medical Center. We have two Nobel Prize Winners here. We did creat first ever MRI machine and first ever portable dialysis center. Say what you may it counts for something. Dr Friedman, who I happen to know personally discoverd world’s first portable dialysis in 1960 and saved millions of life. He is in his 70’s and he still works hard hours trying to save people lives. And he does work for pharmaceutical company too creeating new agents for kidney treatment. If you want I can personally invite you or anyone else out there who happen to be in NYC for a personal tour of Suny and Dr Friedman lab where you will discover amazing man working his magic in savings millions of other people. When it comes to cancer not a lot of progress has been made but to say none was made is simply not true. it is not my opinion it is fact! People who are diagnosed with cancer live longer lives and yes better quality too despite what others might claim. its a fact. Even as recent as 5 years ago having been diagnsoed with stage 4 cancer was automatic death sentence. Now some even are expected to live normal life with it. Yes, minority still, but progress has been made. There are cancers that are still automatic death sentense such as pancreatic( tail protion especially) and lung and brain cancers. But even on that front there is progress. Sid with all due respect if a person is diagnosed with cancer the first line of defense is chemo, unfortunately in some cases and fortunately in others. omega 6 unadulterated will not heal stage 4 cancer. There are many people who declined chemo in favor of alternative medicine and lost their lives becuase of it. There is a time and purpose for everything. Yes alternative medicine is great but if you are shot or wounded with a sharp knife you wouldnt want to be treated with ginseng leaves. Some claim natural treatment is the way to go for everything and thats where I mostly disagree. Thats why millions of people died from simple infection as recent as 100 years ago before Penicilin was discoverd by those eveil pharma. And millions of people died from what is not existent any more before vaccination came along. Am I saying vacinations is great for everything, no. But saying vaccination is evil for everything is wrong too.
If Big Evil Pharma theory was true and if your theory of conspiracy was true what I am about to say wouldnt make sense. I was raised and grew up in Soviet Union. Soviet Union hated United States with passion. My mom was a pediatrician for more than 30 years. Doctors in Russia made less money that security guards and they still do. Pharmaceutical companies were government owned and were non-profit. drugs were free for all Soviet people.
Here is my punch line. So I just took all money profiting out of Soviet medical system and Big Pharma in Soviet Union. Do you know what was the standard protocol of treatment for cancer patients in Soviet Union? I will make it easy for all. No guess necessary. Yes, it was evil chemotherapy. We had wonderful, bright doctors and scientists in former Soviet Union who worked for almost free so money was never a motivating factor. And they did have access to many discoveries and theories, Sid, including what Brian discoved. And yet chemo was still the only way to go. I pray to great Lord that Brian is correct and it is as simple as omega 6 to omega 3 ratio( yes unadelterated organic cold pressed). But I doubt it is Sid. I tend to be a very spiritual person, Sid. If you study universe and its creation it is all balance not simplicity. And not the balance of essential omega oils but balance in general.
Everything counts. One of my favorite spiritula teachers La Tzy once said that the most important things in live are our mistakes. Sid, taking right proprotion of omega 6 to omega 3 wont heal or prevent cancer in the absense of other things being in balance. i am talking about life in general. A person is a very complicated machine and so is his or her health. Its about many factors and many choices. From lifestylte to diet to stress to sleep to relationships, everything counts! If a person is full of love striving for a righteous live he or she is half way of living cancer free in my humble opinion. The other half is still a mystery, may be its just Universe at work. Sid, I wish you nothing but happiness and Happy Holidays! And may you and Brian be correct in your choices. I am all for it. I will even try that myself in the spriti of being open-minded. i will buy high lignan organic cold presses flax oil and mix it with sunflower oil. It surely wont hurt! thanks!
If no one is satified with any answer here…email Brian with that question and tell them you hear him on Jimmys problem. I assure he will gladly answer your question….www.brianpeskin.com
Not sure of his hours during the holidays…
A response to Vadim
Thank you very much for your great and sincere responce and it is much appreciated. I too sometimes get carried away with what I believe and I suspect you do also. You may work at a great hospital and patienet receive great care there, but it is not that way all over the country, some hospitals one receive poor care. And in the spirit of the holidays please except my humble apology also and I reach my hand to yours in this computer exchange and say thank for your understanding and great post.
One more thing please purchase the book The Hidden Story of Cance and read with an open mind and let your doctors that you know read it also.
Brian will be glad to answer anyone email with any question you may have even about the lawsuit he had with Texas..It was more about nothing in my opinion…Have a nice holiday season with lots cheer, good friends….Again…please accept my humble apology ….you sound really dedicated to what you do and am sure an asset to the employer..
Best to you
Sid Aust
Sid – Do you work for Brian Peskin, by any chance?
Lol, thanks! I love to make up, isnt it great. And i feel healther doing it. I dispise fighting even though I love arguing. I think there is a big difference! I suggested to Jimmy Moore to have two guests who disagree with each other have an open forum on his podcast show to make it exciting and intrersting. In arguments the truth is born. If it wasnt for opposite views we would still live in barbaric society. Democracy is a great teacher of that. it allows for freedom of speech and freedom of speech allows for difference of opinion which leads to progress. i would love to have Dr Eades for example debate Brian. Dr Eades is very collected, respectful, tactful and intelligent man who loves science and knows a thing or two about it. Hope Jimmu can pull it off one day. And look, we still all agree on low carb lifestyle arent we? I think it counts for more than something. Again, have a wonderful holidays and happy and healthy New Year! Thanks for your comments. I truly appreciate it. You not only created what might be one of the most commented podcast but stimultate people to think, read, research and question. And that is always a good thing!
Seems like the one big unanswered question in this thread is this one:
Ragnor wrote:
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After reading Peskin’s book, “The Hidden Story of Cancer,” maybe I can shed some light on this . . .
First of all, the question assumes that you need LOTS of nuts and seeds. Why do you assume that?
Second of all, as Peskin’s book points out, animal-based protein is a foundational nutritional anticancer protection. In fact, he has a whole chapter titled, “Animal-Based Protein — The Most Important Food”
From the book:
“with animal-based protein, your body can make all the homglobin that is required for maximum anticancer protection.”
Ragnor’s question assumes you can only get essential fatty acids through nuts and seeds. But think about the Eskimos, who were found in 1960 to have virtually no cancer. (Page 232 of Peskin’s book on cancer. Documentation of the 1960 findings are included.)
Page 233: “The Eskimos eat mainly meat — NOT lots of fish — and virtually no fruits or vegetables, because of the long, harsh freezing conditions. Their diet consists mainly of caribou, bear, seals, whale and walrus blubber, and some fish. Lots of protein consumption along iwth consumption of unprocessed natural fats, high in EFAs, are the number one reason for the absence of cancer in their society.”
I don’t see any mention of nuts and seeds there. It also sounds similar to the diet of the Paleolithic man in terms of getting animal-based protein.
Okay, onto the issue of the ratio of Omega 6 vs. Omega 3 . . .
The reason Peskin recommends a ratio weighted toward Omega 6 is because so much of the Omega 6 that we currently get in our diet is ruined through processing.
Obviously, Paleolithic man did not have that problem. That might answer Ragnor’s question right there.
From page 190 of Peskin’s book:
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Peskin then goes on to explain the mathematical formulation for coming up with the recommended ratio of omega-6 vs. omega-3.
Page 191:
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I could be wrong, but that seems to adequately address Ragnor’s question.
Sorry, but it looks like the material I quoted from Peskin’s book did not show up in my last post. Looks like a formatting issue . . . I made the mistake of using these characters: <<>>, which created html/formatting errors.
I don’t want to retype it all for fear of clogging up this thread, but I can do that if you want.
Response To Kim,
I do not work for Brian…I am a big supporter of Brian and his science…Nobody has ever come close to what he has done and discovered and connecting the dots…The fact that he did not come from the medical profession and an outsider also…It is safe to say he has stirred Jimmy’s comments section up for sure…
Also I just want to say in the Spirit of the Season I do apolize for anything I have said on these comments to offend anyone. I get a little carried away sometimes if I believe something deeply. So Please everyone..I am sorry….
We are all here for a reason and listen to Jimmy’s show.. We all want to be healthy, live a disease free life and we learn all we can from these interviews that come to this show. We hope that the life that we live will influence our friends and family to live a healthy life also…
Best to everyone here for a happy, healthly holiday season…..
Sid
Great debate! I have a couple of comments as well.
I have of course listened to Jimmy Moore’s excellent interview with Brian Peskin and then went to Brians’s website for more info. There I came upon several other interviews of which I liked the following the best because he greatly expanded on his theory and talked about related subjects such as saturated fat etc.
http://www.brianpeskin.com/video-audio.html
(it is the third one down titled “Hidden Story of Cancer Interview” (the link comes from his website under ‘Audio/Video’ on the left. The others are good as well)
So…it seems to me that the omega 6 issue – as Billy just said – comes down to the fact that our modern day omega 6 is mostly damaged in processing (and most Americans eat ‘processed’ food) and therefore the omega 6 and 3 ratio is out of balance. Adding more omega 3’s makes matters worse.
In thinking about this I was wondering: what’s wrong with just eating a small handful of raw sunflower seeds every day? Mr. Peskin does recommend sunflower oil – well I’ve always heard that eating the ‘whole’ is better than its’ part’.
Any thoughts?
From Brian’s Web site ….www.brianpeskin.com
Just thought everyone would enjoy reading if you have not been to his web site…..He is sincere about what he does and tells the truth as he finds it for the benifit of everyone…
Brian has always had one goal – to help people — regardless of personal sacrifice. But despite his integrity, Brian has suffered a lot of criticism and even slander as reward for his hard work.
Brian is not alone. Many other health researchers have also spoken the truth and were chastised for it. These men were called “quacks” until they were finally vindicated when their discoveries were proven true years later:
• Penicillin discovered by the Nobel Prize-winner Alexander Flemming.
• Ulcers caused by bacteria, NOT “stress.” The discoverers were finally awarded a Nobel Prize in 2005.
• The importance of sanitizing hands before surgery and childbirth to prevent infections discovered by Dr. Ignaz Semmelweis in 1848 no one listened for 50 years. Click here to read the sad story of Dr. Semmelweis.
• Citrus to prevent scurvy – discovered by James Lind and called “witchcraft” at the time
Joining the ranks of these proactive men is Brian Peskin. Brian’s great genius is “connecting the dots” between established sciences that usually remain separated, and coupling his findings with real-life results. He combines theory with practicality in a very unique way. Even thought Brian does not always take credit for the science he has studied – he is often only the messenger of the information already published in leading medical textbooks and medical journals — he has also been called a “quack.
”Brian attended the world’s leading engineering institution, Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), where he studied highly complex mathematics, engineering and physics, along with probability and statistics. He has also studied biochemistry and physiology. Brian’s various fields of study give him a unique systems perspective when applied to health and nutrition. Electrical engineering is an exact science. There is no room for guesses, assumptions or errors. Brian’s findings with regards to health have a firm foundation based on incredibly high scientific standards, which are, unfortunately, often nonexistent in the field of nutritional research. That’s why so many studies keep getting reversed and no one knows what to believe.
Applying exacting science and experiment to further our health is the approach Brian uses in his search for the truth. There is no one else in the world who applies this approach to the nutritional field! Brian has been called by Dr. Robert Nemer, – cosmetic physician, “The most insightful quantum nutritionist of our age.”
In formulizing his nutritional recommendations, Brian often relies on complex systems analysis tools, which emphasize the entire system and not isolated effects or results. Borrowing from his MIT engineering background, this systems analysis allows Brian to view the issues without the subjective bias that years of conventional medical training often imposes on even the most open-minded of doctors and nutritionists. Because a scientist is trained from the beginning to think “inside the box” in their field – rarely do they think outside of that box, or frequently compare their “knowledge” to other fields that may cross over. Brian doesn’t constrict himself to these confines.
Despite the fact that all of the science Brian bases his discoveries on is found in the world’s leading medical textbooks and medical journals, Brian has been slandered and ridiculed for his recommendations. But as Brian himself has said all along, it’s not HIS science – he’s simply the messenger. Brian utilizes established proven scientific discoveries already tested by the world’s greatest minds. This science rarely makes it to the popular press, radio, or television. Making others aware of this science a major part of Brian’s calling in life!
What sets Brian vastly apart from popular health researchers is that he’s the FIRST to bring all of the vital information together, “connecting the dots,” and develop state-of-the-art practical application to maximizing your health and well-being.
In 1995, Brian created the new science of maximizing desired results by working cooperatively with the natural processes of living systems. He termed this discovery Life-Systems Engineering Science. Dr. James Douglas, former President of Texas Southern University (1998) said, “[H]is nutritional discoveries and practical applications through Life-Systems Engineering [Science] are unprecedented.”
Brian found that his destiny was not to be in electrical engineering, although his scientific training as an engineer would be his greatest asset in his research. He researches all health and nutritional sciences so thoroughly because he views an input called “food” with an associated output called “health.” These are standard systems engineering concepts. He looks at our biological systems and how they worked together, with the precise mind of an engineer.
How did Brian get started on his groundbreaking research? Back in 1990 Brian’s wife Debra became diabetic, despite always taking good care of herself and doing everything “right” – eating low fat foods and exercising constantly.
Debbie went to a clinic to help her with her diabetes, but instead of making her better, she got worse! She’d been there for an entire week being told to consume plenty of “complex carbohydrates” like brown rice, and her sugar levels had worsened! This angered Brian and he decided then that he was going to get to the bottom of the problem and do whatever he could to help her by doing his own scientifically based research.
Brian went to the Houston Academy of Medicine-Texas Medical Center Library – with over 300,000 monographs and 1,000 journals on-line, considered to be one of the best in the country. He spent long hours studying everything he could find from leading medical textbooks and medical journals. He avoided reports and articles based on opinion as well as those that might have been biased or inherently incomplete or inconclusive, or stating statistically incorrect recommendations. The popular press doesn’t understand how they’ve been misled. Being schooled in statistics, Brian can quickly determine which experiments and studies have been correctly analyzed and which conclusions are incorrect. Unfortunately, most studies are improperly performed and their stated conclusions are incorrect and that is why recommendations are frequently reversed years later. Brian’s recommendations have never been reversed because they are scientifically correct to begin with. To the contrary, his mission is to “leads the pack,” and never follow “politically correct” yet wrong recommendations.
During his initial studies, it didn’t take long for Brian to realize that he’d found his true destiny! He took no salary for 2 years while his wife supported him. He spent years researching information about health and nutrition. The more he researched, the more astounded he was to find that everything he thought he knew about health and nutrition was WRONG!
Just like the rest of us, Brian had always believed what he’d heard or read in the popular press:
• Low-fat diets are healthy
• Calorie restriction alone will keep you thin
• Exercise keeps you healthy
• Saturated fats will kill you
• Following popular nutritional recommendations keep diabetes away…
As you can imagine, when he learned that almost all popular nutritional advice was WRONG and had NO scientific basis, he was SHOCKED! Opinion – not science was rampant. Immediately he felt the burning desire to bring the truth to as many people as he could.
Brian has compared his discoveries to being “woken up from the Matrix” (as in the movie). This information was so vitally important and would make a huge impact on the health of everyone. He decided that he had to get the word out any way possible. His desire has always been to help others lead healthier and fuller lives.
Brian’s intense research is still going on to this day! Because of this, Brian is considered by many to be the foremost authority on human nutrition.
Early in his research Brian discovered that due to modern growing methods and food processing, essential nutrients were missing from our food. He researched these nutrients intensely, then tried to find a way to get enough of them either in food or supplements, but had little success. No one was formulating and manufacturing the nutrients we need in the proper bio-available form. Brian found outlets to get the ingredients and even started making some of the supplements in his own kitchen.
Not only are our foods missing essential nutrients, but the foods recommended for better health are often more harmful that good. According to the best, most accurate scientific research Brian continues to study, the nutritional recommendations made over the previous 50 years or so have been completely backwards to what is right. Knowing what he knows now, Brian is not surprised by the deplorable state of our health in America. It’s no wonder our health care system is on the verge of collapse. The frustrating thing is that most everyone who is suffering so much with ill-health has believed they’ve been doing the “right” things over the past 30-50 years. The recommended “health solutions” have actually been the cause of our ill-health.
Eventually Brian started his own company, Maximum Efficiency Products, where he could publish the science he’d discovered and also sell his unique nutritional supplements. He compiled the information he discovered in his research into his first landmark book titled Radiant Health: Moving Beyond the Zone (out of print), which sold 125,000 copies between the years 1996 – 2002.
Brian’s message spread and his business grew quickly. The Radiant Health supplements and educational material eventually reached both television and radio “infomercial’s.” Interested parties overseas were moved by his years of hard work and exceptional products and Brian has continued to make contacts around the world who’ve benefited through his nutritional research.
Brian is now working as an independent nutritional consultant, with corporate clients around-the-world, continuing his research and educating others. Brian has written the definitive EFA report titled, The Scientific Calculation of the Optimum Omega 6/3 Ratio. This groundbreaking, scientific analysis – the world’s first – sets the record straight on purely scientific grounds, what the parent omega 6/3 ratio should be. Unfortunately, too few are getting this correct information and unknowingly harming themselves!
Brian has helped millions of people around the world with his hard work and dedication. His life revolves around state-of-the-art scientific research coupled with tremendous, original insights. His research is ongoing, so you can be assured that he will bring you the very latest and best in sound nutritional advice always based strictly on science – not opinion. A growing number of physicians around the world trust Brian because of this.
With all of the confusion about health and nutrition prevalent in our world today, we need someone who can read between the lines, “connecting the dots,” and making sense out of what is true versus opinion. Brian has made it his life’s work to be that most trusted authority.
Brian Peskin earned his Bachelor of Science degree in Electrical Engineering from Massachusetts Institute of Technology (M.I.T.) in 1979. He received an appointment as an Adjunct Professor at Texas Southern University in the Department of Pharmacy and Health Sciences (1998-1999). The former president of the University said of Brian’s discoveries: “…His nutritional discoveries and practical applications through Life-Systems Engineering are unprecedented.”
I have summarized the part of Brian Peskin’s paper on “PEOs” http://www.brianpeskin.com/reports/scientificPEOcalculation.pdf which relates directly to our discussion. Note that Peskin uses the terms omega 3 and 6 parent EFAs or PEOs to refer to the EFAs linoenic acid (ALA) and linoleic acid (LA), respectively.
Based on an analysis of the ratios of LA to ALA in human tissues and the mass of each tissue mass (footnote on pg. 28 for sources), Peskin concludes that “the majority of
cells in the body require a ratio of at least 6.5 to 1 [of LA to ALA].”
Typical western diets contain an estimated omega 6 to 3 ratio of about 12 to 1. If the damaged LA, i.e. LA which has been “hydrogenated into transfats or adulterated with chemicals and preservatives” and thus “ruined as to their oxygen transfer ability,” is not counted and at least 50% of it is assumed to be damaged, western diets are providing at best a ratio of 6 to 1 (LA to ALA). Supplemental EFAs–at least 1 to 1 and at most 2.5 to 1 (LA to ALA)–are therefore recommended to make up the difference and account for certain other factors, particularly the intake of the damaged LA.
“You may be wondering why the animal protein that we consume from beef, other red meats, poultry, eggs, pork and fish doesn’t give us enough of the required [LA]?” The reason is basically that the sensitive LA and ALA are significantly destroyed by cooking.
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No idea what Peskin recommends in terms of absolute amounts of LA and ALA. Does anyone have this information?
In relative terms, it would seem that Peskin recommends a dietary intake of at least 6.5 to 1 (LA to ALA) assuming we are not consuming any processed Western foods with damaged oils.
sss,
Regarding LA intake in healthy non-industrial (hunter-gatherer) cultures, see the following Stephan Guyenet quote:
“As usual, the most important line of evidence comes from healthy non-industrial cultures that did not suffer from modern non-communicable diseases. They invariably consumed very little omega-6 LA (3% of calories or less), ate a roughly balanced amount of omega-6 and omega-3, and had a source of long-chain (animal) omega-3. They did not eat much omega-3 from plant sources (such as flax), as concentrated sources are rare in nature. Dr. Weston Price observed that cultures throughout the world sought out seafood if available, sometimes going to great lengths to obtain it.”
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/12/polyunsaturated-fat-intake-practical.html
A primary source would be more helpful, but Stephan usually has his facts straight. That being said, 3% of calories is indeed an upper bound and I don’t doubt that a lower intake was common (and optimal?) among hunter-gatherer cultures.
I’ll check out the Enig article.
Billy,
The only sources of omega 6 (LA) available to paleolithic humans and modern hunter-gatherer groups in the quantity/ratio Peskin seems to be recommending (via plant oils) are nuts and seeds, and these were not readily available for daily consumption.
You write (quoting from Peskin’s book):
Page 233: “The Eskimos eat mainly meat — NOT lots of fish — and virtually no fruits or vegetables, because of the long, harsh freezing conditions. Their diet consists mainly of caribou, bear, seals, whale and walrus blubber, and some fish. Lots of protein consumption along iwth consumption of unprocessed natural fats, high in EFAs, are the number one reason for the absence of cancer in their society.”
It is difficult to respond to this point without knowing exactly what Peskin means by “high in EFAs.” Based on his recommendation to supplement with (organic, cold-pressed, etc.) omega 6 plant oils, his definition of “high” in this context must be pretty high (much higher than the Eskimo diet could provide).
Furthermore, if Eskimos on this diet were cooking their food most of the time (and I believe they were?), then this quote would contradict the statement he made in his “PEO paper” (see above post) that cooking destroys too much of the sensitive EFAs LA and ALA in meats, etc. that supplementing with plant oils becomes necessary.
A few point/observations.
I am married to an engineer, from a family of engineers, and have worked in a “think tank” with engineers doing investigations into medical devices and information. My experience, as a generalization, is that engineers tend to have limited social skills. They can be brilliant thinkers, with deep insights, and wonderful at making science practical; however, they often are offensive in the social realm. I love them. Without engineers the world would be far less interesting; however, you have to move past their abrupt, often seemingly arrogant, approach to teaching.
1. Brian Peskin may be right, but he needs a good consultant to help him appear to be more credible. Calling yourself “Professor” after one year as an adjunct just seems ridiculous and silly. If the intention of this is to appear more credible, I’d say it backfires. So, Brian, ditch the “professor” shtick. It just makes you look needy and pompous.
2. His website also reduces one’s ability to take him seriously. (Frankly, so does Dr. Graveline’s); however, I understand he is asking us to look at his science and not his website. With that in mind, one should set aside our emotional response t his marketing methods. (Yuck).
3. He seems more than willing to support his hypothesis with sound evidence. He also seems willing to teach and guide people, for minimal fees (the cost of a book). I’m willing to listen and then decide, based on evidence and my own research.
I’m with other poster who asked for one-on-one debates with sane people who won’t degrade into name calling nonsense. So, who would we ask Brian to debate? I’m sure he and Dr. Carlson and he would have a great discussion and possibly tease out the topic in a way we could all learn from.
Boudi, thanks for your insights on this. Hmmmm, a Peskin vs. Carlson debate. Intriguing…
I’m a mechanical engineer. Some years ago I got intrigued by the subject of food in relation to health. Like Brian I studied a lot on the subject. Also I’ve read all Brians stuff, listened to his podcasts and saw his videos. Brian knows the theories he is talking about. In knowledge and words he can beat most physicians with one arm on his back.
At the end of the day however my conclusion is that Brian is a smart guy who conquers the diseases of civilization in disguise (i.e. via his parent essential oils) by indirectly advocating the following therapy:
. Eat a (very) low carb diet (he knows a high carb / low (saturated) fat / low cholesterol diet devastates the body)
. Limit your intake of poly unsaturated fats (his advice is only 3grams/day) (he knows pufa’s oxidize easily a cause a lot of trouble)
My opinion is that you can safely follow Brian’s recommendations. They are harmless and for most of you they will work.
This comment is in response to Rosemarie and her question about eating small amounts of sunflower seeds vs supplementation.
Rosemarie, if we to are to accept Brian’s hypothesis that the correct ratio of omega 6 vs omega 3 essential fatty acid will stop cellular oxidation and therefore prevent cancer, we are looking at therapeutic levels vs preventive .
Lets assume for a second and say Brian is 100 % correct in his discoveries. Then you would need his recommended supplemetation doses vs eating sunflower seeds. Here is why. One tablespoon of pure, that is unadelterated, unprocessed organic sunflower seed oil contains approximately 7000 to 9000 mg of omega 6 essential oi if my memory serves me correctly. You would need to eat a ton of sunflower seeds every day to reach that level and unless you are a baseball player who plays extra innings every single day I dont think its possible.
But here is my other concern. even if we are to accept Brian’s theory or as he sais his connecting the dot work, it is very difficult to control the ratio and make sure you are getting pure, unadelterated oil. Sunflower oil once exposed to processing gets very rancid and therefore harms you more than heals you. There is nothing more detrimental to your tissues then rancid oxidative omega 6 oils. So how do companies get organic, unadelterated omega 6 without having it being exposed to oxygen to begin with? They still need to extract it out of the seeds. That would require an intricate process in doing so and expensive too. I am not saying its not possible, I am saying its hard. And even when you do buy it through retailers who claim its organic you dont know the process of extracting anyway. It could very well be organic and still harm you more than if you didnt take it. So there are more questions to be answered. I appreciate some people who can trust scinetist based on what they wrote. I am too old and cynical I guess to do that. I have been burned way too many times to learn my lesson. Some theories are fantastic in theory but once you start applying them, boom, no results. I am sure German Nobel Prize winner whos work Brian cites was genious enough to figure out correct omega 6 vs omega 3 ratio back in his days too. Its much easier to discover cancer is caused by cellular oxygen deprivation than finding ways to feed them oxygen and prevent oxydation. Anyone who is a car mecahnic knows pretty well what oxidation can do to a metal for example. But our bodies are intricate, complicated machinery. Many factors can strike it out of balance and cause oxidation not just the improper omega 6/omega 3 ratio. Again, in my own humble opinion.
I would like to hear Peskin debate Loren Cordain or Robb Wolf. They will both agree on Low Carb, but their O-3 to O-6 recomendations are vastly different as far as ratio and source. I would actually love to here those guys debate this subject.
I haven’t read his book, but the guy’s whole overall tone was a big turn-off. “I’m right, they’re wrong.” A little humility would go a long way. There are a huge number of folks investigating these matters, and they’re not all bought off by Big Pharma. Science is a consensus, and clearly we haven’t reached it on many issues. It’s clear he’s done a lot of reading. What else, isn’t particularly clear. He does feel he is qualified to denigrate about 99% of the published medical literature.
One red flag raised for me, a mere amateur in these matters, was when he relayed how his radiologist “just about fell off his chair” when his heart scan score was a zero.
In fact, a zero is an extremely common score. About 50% of people who take the test will score a zero. I’m older than Peskin, and I scored a zero on my scan. I understand Jimmy did as well. So implying that this is a rare event is bogus.
http://www.trackyourplaque.com/library/fl_02-007zeroscore.asp
I don’t know what else he is selling is bogus, but that anecdote should be retired immediately…it proves nothing.
I look forward to reading all the comments.
This response is for BOUDI.
1. I too am married to an electical engineer and have an engineer son. And boy did you hit the nail on the head….talking about lack of social skills and (seeming) arrogance!!! They just like to get right to the point of the matter.
2. You mentioned his website. I agree. When I first saw it, It hit me like one of those “seen-on-tv” websites. When you combine that with his sales pitch like talking it’s no wonder people become suspicious and distrustfull. The only thing that keeps me hanging in here is that I see enough truth and common sense in what I have heard so far (having tried a lot of things myself over the years) that I’m sufficiently curious to get the book ….in order to ‘get the rest of the story”.
Robb Wolf Vs. Brian Peskin Debate would be epic. Epic in the sense that Wolf would crush him!!
THIS IS A RESPONSE TO ROGER:
I think you sort of mistated Brian on the scan part of his talk. First off we all want a score of 0…I have never had a scan myself, but I certainly would want a score of 0. I do follow Brian’s recomendations to the letter and a low carber. Dr Kagan who made the scan in Florida is a cardiolist asked Brian what his age was at the time and Brian said 52 and Brian told him what his diet was(high protein, high fat etc. and bet his score would be 0 and Dr Kagan stated the odds of that is very small. Now on the tract your plaque site it did not say it was extremely common to have a score of 0 as I read the article…Where the rare part came in is he was talking about a patient Dr Kagan had in his 60’s and a smoker had a 22% decease in plaque. The Dr Kagan said plaque RARELY decreased in a smoker. This smoker was followering Brian’s recomendations. I would guess you are a non smoker and a low carber also.
According to Brian’s research into this is that a plaque free scan almost never happens because the average person develops 30% additional volume of plaque in the arterial walls each year. So that being said If you have 10% plaque this year then 8 years later you’ll have a typically 75% hard plaque volume and as Brian said A BIG PROBLEM AND A BIG RISK FOR A HEART ATTACK. So it is very easy to inject something else into what he was saying and just not be correct. Brian was not wrong about this as one just has to study what it was that he said and was relating it too. Anyway enjoy all these comment. I think if you had the book you would see all of this come together. The way I see Brian is that he is very confident in himself. Thats what comes across to me, not I am right you are wrong as everything once again can be backed up by his research…Really enjoying all the great comments by everyone. I could care less if he is a janitor or doctor and someone gets people thinking about pre-concieved thinking that is a good thing…I like that….
Wow, some really great comments in this discussion. This is exactly the kind of dialogue I’ve been looking for, ever since I read Peskin’s books earlier this year.
I’m willing to look past Brian’s hubris, but geez, doesn’t he realize how much that hurts his cause? If he had a more easygoing manner, he’d be on Oprah, like, yesterday. But no matter — my hat is off to him, regardless.
His hard work and hard science deserve nothing less than a national discussion and rigorous testing.
He’s got a great quote in his “Hidden Story of Cancer” book from legendary physicist Max Planck: “A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.”
Peskin versus Chris Masterjohn would be very interesting!
Jimmy had Chris on his show just recently. Chris is a modern thinking scientist who knows a lot about pufa’s and artheroscleroses.
Regarding Brian Peskin’s trumpeted zero heart scan score, Roger said:
“In fact, a zero is an extremely common score. About 50% of people who take the test will score a zero. ”
Quoted from a super-credible source, Dr. William Davis.
Roger also said:
“I don’t know what else he is selling is bogus, but that anecdote should be retired immediately…it proves nothing.”
I have to VERY respectfully disagree, Roger ;). It does prove something. It proves that someone who trumpets as one of his key bonafides an engineer’s intelligence and attention to detail has a glaring omission in his marketing material that blows a hole in his credibility.
Sid’s response to Roger quotes extensively from Brian’s website about Brian’s heart scan score, and revealingly disconnects from Roger’s point and fails to address it. Lots of words, but serving only to obscure. The score of another guy with heart disease has nothing to do with how common and utterly banal a zero heart scan score is in a 52-year-old Brian Peskin. Same as my score. While I’m pleased to be at zero, it’s proves nothing about the benefits of my low carb diet, as the vast majority of my peers would be expected to also have a zero score (and we all know that most of them are NOT livinlavidalowcarb). The omission of this perspective, by an MIT engineer, and worse yet in marketing materials intended to sell his stuff, is a huge blow to credibility.
Ditto the Professor moniker that a previous commenter noted.
Still haven’t seen anyone tackle the hunter-gatherer aspect here either. Has nothing to do with processed oils. Those hominids didn’t have access to processed oils. They thrived with much lower 6 to 3 ratios than Brian advocates. Where’s the evidence that we need more? Address that directly.
Response to Steve L….
Once again he did not say a zero score was an extremely common score…This is what he said…
“A score of zero is not a rare thing: Approximately 50% of people who get a CT heart scan have a score of zero—no detectable calcified coronary plaque. It’s the best score you can get, since heart scan scores never go below zero. By age 65, only 25% of people will maintain a score of zero.
Where does he say extremely common score…show me…
Also…a quote…
“Still haven’t seen anyone tackle the hunter-gatherer aspect here either. Has nothing to do with processed oils. Those hominids didn’t have access to processed oils. They thrived with much lower 6 to 3 ratios than Brian advocates. Where’s the evidence that we need more? Address that directly. ”
For food that were free range animals and probably ate a variety of grasses etc. today animals are feed grain based corn,wheat, etc and is processed and hense makes them fatter for the market.. Why would they need processed oils back then?? The meat we eat today are not corn or wheat feed…
Also you may recall Brian’s Doctor almost fell out of the chair (as a matter of speaking) because his score was 0 when he told him what his diet was
high fat,high protein, and low carb…
He has MDs(Highly Aclaimed ones at that) followers all over the country and they follow his methods. Brian lectures to cancer and heart doctors all over the cournty. Do you think they are that stupid and would not be able to seen through this if it was not creditable? ? I know sure he has some that are highly critical of him same as here on the comment section. Do you really have to understand gravity to know it works if you jump off a tall building…you are going to be dead just the same…I think the bottom line here is most think it is just too simple to work…
Great posts here and was to be expected a lot of disagreement…if anyone here wants to email Brian and address some of the questions that do not meet your approval…please do….and also post them here on the forum…I would love to see what he has to say…he will respond to you…..mention expecially the heart scan and the web site…
Happy holidays to everyone..
Best to everyone, happy holidays
I’m a little sheepish that I’m even continuing to be drawn into this, but I’ll invest 5 more minutes.
For Sid: My question was “where’s the evidence we need more?” [omega-6]
Your response talks about grass fed vs. corn fed animals and asks why ancient man would need processed oil. How is that remotely responsive to my question? Unfortunately, is emblematic of some of the stream-of-consciousness stuff on Brian’s web site. I can’t even tell where you’re going with that.
Regarding the heart scan score, yes, I do consider 50% of people having a zero heart scan score to be an extremely common finding. 50% of the people I see walking around in the world are female, so I consider them to be extremely common (in a good way). Brian needs to find something else to hang his hat on to prove the efficacy of his approach, as any MIT engineer should have realized.
Now, I’m sure he’s spent tons of time reading about omega-6, and I don’t want to denigrate that effort, but the lack of clarity in the way he attempts to connect the dots, along with the distractions of the marketing techniques, cause me to have to spend more time deciphering the message than I can justify, to say the least.
So I’ll bow out and give Sid the last word on this.
I say email Brian and tell him of your concern for this. He will be glad to answer your question and his stance on this issue. I had questions also when I heard him and has always answered my question. I do not think you will find and answer that suits you here…Get it as they say from the horses mount …
info@brianpeskin.com
And that goes for anyone else whose questions were not answered by Brian. Please email Brian email on the the last post…This has been a great descussion as we can all learn from each other…
best,
Frankly, I fail to understand why any of you would take Mr. Peskin very seriously. Other than an obvious propensity for self-promotion, he doesn’t seem to have any obvious credentials. A BS (not a masters, not a PhD) in electrical engineering doesn’t make you a scientist, not does some diligent self-study in the stacks on physiology and biochemistry. To me, his writing reeks of non-scientism, to coin a word.
Honestly, I’m up to here with engineers who think because they took a little lower-level science along with their engineering courses, voila… a little reading and now they, too, can do science. Mostly, they do it very badly, because… surprise… they aren’t trained as scientists. Even many actual scientists don’t do it well, of course, especially the older ones who become overly-invested in theories that need to be retired (we can all think of a few of those, can’t we?)
Engineers are trained to USE the results science provides. Few seem to understand that limitation. In particular, it’s unusual for an engineer working on a highly-complex non-closed system to really grasp the implications of that situation to how he must go about developing and testing his hypotheses. Unfortunately, there’s a lot more to it than “connecting the dots,” although that phrase in itself is emblematic of an engineering-style solution paradigm, as opposed to a science-based one.
Yes, Mr. Peskin is entitled to his opinions. Using such unproven opinions to part a lot of unsuspecting folks from their money, as he was called out for by Texas authorities, may not be so benign.
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Regarding the CT scan, a 0 calcium score in a 52-year-old male is a very unusual result — not very common at all. We are in the midst of a new cardiovascular study using DPA technology and the results are extraordinary with people on my PEO protoco.l Personally, i rate decades lower than my chronological age. These results will lead to medical journal articles.
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Concerning Track your plaque….
Talking about who wants to make a million $$$
William Davis MD charges ……$39.95 to join which is find but $19.95 per quarter thereafter…Is he about helping people or making more $$$$$$…compared to The Hidden Story of Cancer a one time cost of $39.95 for a education you will not receive anywhere else…
Response to Steve L
I did not quote extensively from Braian’s Peskin’s web site I quoted from his book The Hidden Story Of Cancer, big difference.
Brian:
I think it would be far more effective if you’d simply address the specific questions that have been asked (in particular, the questions re: the evolutionary compatibility of your O6 recommendations), rather than attempting to fluff up your credibility by quoting testimonials from your website. As I’m sure you will agree, the medical profession is literally bursting at the seams with doctors and nutritionists who haven’t a clue, so random testimonials are not especially helpful.
Thank you!
Sid Aust wrote;
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Concerning Track your plaque….
Talking about who wants to make a million $$$
William Davis MD charges ……$39.95 to join which is find but $19.95 per quarter thereafter…Is he about helping people or making more $$$$$$…compared to The Hidden Story of Cancer a one time cost of $39.95 for a education you will not receive anywhere else…
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Does that come with a Ronco turnip twaddler?
Maybe you don’t work for Brian Peskin… but you sure do read like spam. The question isn’t the money. It’s the value of the product, and whether or not the product is honestly represented.
cough.
I commend Mr. Peskin for attempting to understand a complex problem outside his field. However, as a biochemist, I see at least four red flags:
1. Touting “adjunct professor” as a credential. Adjuncts are hired under all sorts of circumstances, ranging from “we landed a former Prime Minister to teach a course in government” to “we have an emergency and we need a warm body.” Claiming the title “professor” for the rest of one’s life on the basis of one guest lectureship is not exactly humble nor is it valid.
2. What about all the evidence to the contrary? To dismiss the conclusions of the people who did the experiments and were trained in research design and interpretation as well as the fundamentals of the biochemistry as “wrong” is a bit broad. Whenever I see the contrary evidence ignored or insufficiently dissected, it’s a red flag for me. And there is a LOT of evidence to support the benefits of EPA and DHA in fish oils. Some of these studies seemed pretty straightforward to me. Maybe I’m “wrong” in interpreting them but I’m not convinced.
3. Endorsements from physicians are unconvincing. Physicians know an awful lot, but they are not usually as well-versed in biochemistry as are people who do biochemistry full-time, who attend meetings, who have a historical perspective, and who keep up with the literature. I’d be more convinced by endorsements from biochemists who understand fatty acid metabolism.
4. This is a complex problem and is probably not reducible to something as simple as the position of the double bond (which is the difference between omega-3s and omega-6s). Many PhDs who have studied these things for years are quite forthcoming in expressing ignorance and of the gaps in knowledge.
I am always willing to have an open mind but the above four things narrow it as far as Mr. Peskin’s theories are concerned.
I see Mr. Peskin is responding to this forum here. I apologize for having to take my skepticism public and for having skepticism in the first place, but perhaps this will give him the opportunity to make his case more strongly.
My work is bulletproof, but as a human being I am flawed. So feel free to make attacks of a general and personal nature, other than SPECIFIC SCIENCE.
Yes, you are wrong; very wrong. For example, regarding DHA and EPA: how much of these substances are in the tissue? How much in the plasma, and how much of the parent ALA naturally converts into these derivatives? Compare this to what is in fish oil supplements and you will be horrified at their pharmacological overdoses.
You see, you know none of these answers or you would not have made the statements you did. You confuse”studies” with experiments….big mistake as this is why so often “findings” gets reversed with “new research.” Wrong conclusions are abundant because experiments only varying one variable were not done.
What seems “straightforward to you” and many others is anything but, and making wrong assumptions and drawing wrong conclusions is why biochemistry will NOT lead you to the solution.
The solutions to cancer and cardiovascular disease are in physiology — and that’s why the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons published my peer-reviewed article (there were multiple biochemists which i had to overturn their beliefs with strong science because they were in disbelief, too) which you will learn much from. The reviewers’ quote: “This is an important paper that should see the light of day in a medical journal. It follows a path via physiology rather than biochemistry, which is the path that we tend to follow…. we think physicians will be more interested in the physiological approach.”
Although, as you stated, comments by physicians (who are also biochemists) don’t count for much…
I have no more time defending anything, so if you want answers, you’ll need to spend your time reading my work instead of criticizing it without understanding nearly enough to be intelligent in the subject.
I find this is an unfortunate consequence of questioning the prevailing orthodoxy.
Wow. After reading this last comment from BP all I can say is what a sanctimonious a.. Can you say shades of Anthony Colpo? I realize that this is an ad hominem comment but that is my reaction to holier than thou persons. No one in science says they have THE answer as science in time humbles many scientists. Reminds me of the claims about climate change where there is definitely room for argument and discussion IMO.
“Wow” was exactly my thought too. It’s a shame he spent so much time dodging questions – I was kinda hoping to be enlightened by his genius.
“Screw you guys, I’m going home.”
-Eric Cartman
One of Dr. Warburg’s main hypotheses, as I understand it, was that cancer cells consume large amounts of glucose, and in fact need to do so to grow.
The connection between that and the recommendation to consume Omega-6 fatty acids is unclear to me. But I guess I need to read more about Dr. Warburg’s work, and the extrapolations from that work by your guest.
Also, at some point your guest said that Omega-3 consumption causes diabetes. Yet, diabetes is associated with high levels of triglycerides, and those go down with consumption of Omega-3 fat acids.
An interesting interview though.
Response to Kim…
Why in heaven sacks don’t you email Brian and ask him whatever question you want to ask personally from your email address? Is that so hard to understand. He is not going to come in here and spoon feed and baby people like you.
(“Wow” was exactly my thought too. It’s a shame he spent so much time dodging questions – I was kinda hoping to be enlightened by his genius.)
Sid:
Brian had multiple opportunities to answer the burning question repeated over and over again by quite a few different people on this board. He chose not to. He just tap danced around the issue a few times before he packed up his toys and went home mad.
Why would I expect to get a different response had I repeated the question though a different venue?
when you take the correct ratio of o mega 6 and 3 your consumption of sugar will go away because the parent essential oils will make the sugar cravings go away. thats the connection. you will starve the cancer if you have it. people say they love sweets not admitting its an addiction. i know ive been taking these oils for one year.
when people are over educated then the world around them is complicated. they believe this because they paid alot of money for their education. it would be horrible for them to see this all crumble down from something so simple. i hate to say this but too much education can make a person so smart that they are stupid.
p.s. im not talking about brian peskin
I begin to think that Sid Aust = Brian Peskin.
maybe u should read instead of think. you can think what you want but to do something is different. oh and greg doesnt equal brian peskin. i dont have any degrees. if i can do it anyone can do it. as brian said earlier, he wont comment anymore. i remember in baseball when there was no pitch count. if you look at pictures of people 100 years ago there where no fat people. they had poor living conditions but no fat people. when i was in 5th grade in the 60s there was maybe one chubby kid in the class and everybody picked on that poor kid. look what you got today. now everybody envys thin people. if you want to think, think what kinds of food people ate 100years ago compared to today. i did read somewhere i dont remember but look at all the people who live to be 100. they all eat and smoke and drink. the one common denominator in each 100 year old is that they all had a stable blood sugar. there is the secret to longivety. i hope i spelled that word right. its a tough one a little too big of a word. i go by what i see and try.
now thats all and said ive opened myself up for attacks. i dont mean heart attacks so pick on me if you want. but then again i dont have any degrees so maybe i dont count. maybe im so stupid im smart
Greg…
well said Greg……..
No I am not Brian Peskin or do I equal Brial Peskin . I live hundreds of miles from Texas where Brian lives but I am a big supporter of Brian and his science that no one can disprove. and god knows many Phds, MDs etc have tried, but he has one thing on his side and that is the science to back everthing he says up if you care to read and study his research and thats a fact. Like Greg said it is hard to see in simple terms because we try to make things so complicated. I remember from my photography of 30 years from one of my great teacher Bill Stockwell who use to say “in simplicity there is awesome grandeur”. No, Brian is not an MD, Phd, MS
I don’t understand every little thing in his reasearch but I don’t got so hung up on one little aspect or question that someone feels he did not answer to thier satisfaction and not to be able to see the overall picture of what he is teaching us with his research. That is exactly what a lot of you on this discussion have done in the last several days.
So with this, I wish every one good health and prosperity for the coming year…….
Holy cow, you guys! I think I created a monster with this interview. 😀
Whether we agree with the interview guests or not, the fact that this much commentary can result from a 55-minute interview means he said something that made people think. And in the end, this is why I do this podcast.
Maybe later in 2010 I’ll have Brian Peskin back on to respond to the many questions people had for him just from the comments in this section alone. I’m sure he’d be thrilled to do another interview. THANKS again everyone!
had you actually conducted an interview instead of an infomercial, perhaps numbers of us wouldn’t have been compelled to ask the obvious in order to point out all that doesn’t square with the best in this field. at the very least you could have addressed mary enig’s objections to his assertions. taubes’s carbohydrate – insulin – igf explanation of cancer could also have come up in the conversation.
Please DO, Jimmy. I ordered his books, have looked at and listened to everything on the internet by him and gotta say this guy is on to something. It is beautiful in its simplicity/complexity.
I wish he didn’t pack his bags and leave, though – it only adds to the impression that he’s not sincere. I get the impression he is very sincere and really wants people to get the message; however, who can blame the guy for being frustrated? He’s up against the prevailing system. As I recall Atkins was often pushed up against a wall and simply packed his bags. I also wish he’d stop using accolades etc to boost his theories. Stick to the science, which he’s got down pat. Here’s what I understand him to say:
We get too much adulterated omega 6, which leads to cellular malfunction (leading to cancer, heart disease etc) due to cell membrane damage. To compensate we must take supplemental, unadulterated omega 6. Omeg 3s are easy to get, just eat some fish – the omega 3s aren’t damaged, because they are so fragile that they are rancid/smelly and we wouldn’t eat anything made from adulterated omega 3. We need the omega 6s and 3s not the derivatives because the body is best at determining how much of the derivatives an individual at any given time needs. Taking fish oil is taking derivatives and, therefore, like taking a pharmaceutical without knowing proper dosing, which leads to overdoses and the associated problems.
My comments/questions for Brian:
1. I’m interested in learning more about what he has to say about fiber. When I eliminate fiber, I eliminate the ability to eliminate! Possibly when I get the books I’ll understand what’s going on here and steps to eliminate the elimination problem.
2. If one is eating “clean” – grass fed, organic etc, is there still a need for omega 6 supplementation?
3. How’s his Iowa study going?
4. What’s the underlying science behind Essiac?
by the way brian peskin is easily available through his email. he usually responds within 2 to 3 hours. i know i have emailed him. how many doctors do that. all the answers to the questions are in his books. i am not brians friend or have anything to do with him. brian even said he doesnt care if you like him or not. everybody is looking for some kind of a leader or guru. like the old saying kill the messenger, if you dont like what you hear. i have applied most of what brian is showing. taking the correct ratio of omega 6 and 3 is very significant even if you dont change anything else. if anybody wants to contact me my email
mrlimo29@yahoo.com.
An interesting clinical trial of ketogenic diet therapy for cancer was described in TIME magazine a few years ago:
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1662484,00.html
Well sss, I’m sorry my interview style isn’t as perfect as your lofty expectations require them to be. Perhaps you should create your own podcast to show me and everyone else how its done. In the meantime, I’ll keep doing my awful podcast which just happens to be in the Top 20 Nutrition & Fitness podcasts on iTunes with tens of thousands of listeners weekly. 🙂
Thanks for the link to the Time Magazine article, Roger. I wrote about that column in my new book and even contacted the researchers about coming on my podcast show. One of them said she would do a blog interview, but didn’t speak English well enough for a spoken interview. I haven’t had a chance to send her questions yet, but will be doing that soon.
When you are an autodidact in a field and you make exceptional claims, expect to be closely scrutinized. Expect people to ask hard questions. Don’t expect that you can get away with not answering questions, but rather tout what others have said about your work.
Another controversial autodidact Jimmy has interviewed is Konstantin Monastyrsky, author of Fiber Menace. I won’t say that Brian Peskin reminds me of him, but his possible sock-puppet, Syd Aust, does.
Brian, If you want your controversial claims to be taken seriously, ditch the “Professor” credential and get your website re-done by someone who hasn’t previously worked for Ron Popeil. These shady-seeming lapses of judgment completely undermine your credibility.
After listening to the interview, I was intrigued by what you said, but one quick visit to your site left me cold. Taking a point from an earlier commenter, ask yourself this: why hasn’t that call from Oprah come yet?
If you are going to call me a sock puppet. At least spell my name correct ….It is Sid instead of Syd
(After listening to the interview, I was intrigued by what you said, but one quick visit to your site left me cold.)
Thats because you are!!!
(When you are an autodidact in a field and you make exceptional claims, expect to be closely scrutinized. Expect people to ask hard questions. Don’t expect that you can get away with not answering questions, but rather tout what others have said about your work.)
Just because you don’t like what he says does not make it false. Everything is backed by science and what you say is backed by BS
Actually, SID, I called you a POSSIBLE sock puppet.
Further, I have no idea what your ad hominem attack (“Thats because you are!!!”) means. I suspect it flows from the Rubber vs. Glue school of debate. Perhaps you could elucidate this point.
In response to your point: “Everything is backed by science and what you say is backed by BS”, all I can say is that I never attempted to critique his science. Rather I outlined a way he could improve his credibility.
Let me ask you, SID, and please answer this clearly and honestly: do you think the average person will be more or less inclined to trust his scientific conclusions when they learn that the credential he claims (“Professor”) comes from one brief stint as an adjunct professor?
OK, so Brian Peskin has made a couple of statements that are at least very clear regarding his view the meaning of his zero heart scan score. Here are a couple of quotes from his comment earlier in the thread:
“Regarding the CT scan, a 0 calcium score in a 52-year-old male is a very unusual result — not very common at all. ”
“Personally, i rate decades lower than my chronological age.”
The information that others have quoted earlier from Dr. William Davis was that, population-wise, 50% of heart scans scored zero. I recalled that my own heart scan report also contained detailed information regarding the prevalence of various scores in the asymptomatic population at large, stratified by age and sex, so I dug it out to refresh my memory. So let me first address Brian’s comment of how unusual a zero score is for a 52-year old male. In a study of approx. 10,000 asymptomatic patients, the 25th percentile for 50-54 year old males was a score of zero. That is, at least 25% of them scored zero. The 50th percentile for these males is a heart scan score of 8. So somewhere between 25% to 50% of the men score zero. Hardly the “very unusual” result described by Brian. Just for additional perspective, zeros are even more common in younger age groups, with the 30-34 year old males recording zero as the 75th percentile score and a score of 1 as the 90th percentile. In other words, almost everyone was zero. For women it’s even better. For women 50-54, the 75th percentile score is zero. 90th percentile is 29. I invite Brian to cite a study refuting these statistics. Won’t take but a few seconds, just paste the link here in a comment.
Obviously, in the context of the stats I’ve quoted, Brian’s other statement about his zero scored rating him “decades lower than his chronological age” becomes hyperbole. That’s not intended as a personal attack, though it may sound like one. From where I sit, that’s just the facts. Anyone with a zero score rates the same as an infant. So what? If Brian were instead, 72 years old, and had a score of 88 (25th percentile) than I suppose he might have a weak case that he rated ONE decade younger, since 100 is the 50th percentile score for age 60-64 males. But even that would be a stretch, since there’s still lots of 75 year-olds (a quarter of the males) with scores of 88 or less.
I remember being surprised myself when I got my heart scan that zero is such a common result, but those are the facts.
If I got this kind of response with every podcast guest I interviewed, then we’d have to take it to TV! 😉 Thanks for the lively debate everybody!
I know this is a lively friendly debate and thats good.. I have never even thought about he being a professor as that has been a non isssue to me..That to me is just a nick name. I had a good friend that we called Scooter and that is a motor bike. I never thought of him as a scooter. The name professor stuck when he was asked to lecture and Brian would probably say the same thing. But i do know he lectures to cancer doctors and heart doctors all over the country. I did not mean to insult you and hope you understand and all I ask that you look at the science seriously. Both my wife and I had cancer with a year a part, but doing great now…
Anyway thanks for the comments and the friendly debate and your time for responding…
Best to you for the coming year…
Sid Aust, I am curious as to how you are following Brian’s protocol. Can you share more of your story. What changed before and after you were diagnosed with cancer. Did your diet change, were you on low carb diet before and how long? Or you started on low carb living after the cancer diagnosis. Did you need chemo, surgery or was it at the earliest stage? Are you taking omega 6/ omega 3 oils mix every day? Have you noticed any difference in your overall health since you started doing it? I know I asked a lot of questions and I appreciate your time and efffort in here. Thanks
In Response to Vadim..
‘Sid Aust, I am curious as to how you are following Brian’s protocol.’
Will be happy to tell you….and what the PEOs have done..
I did have surgery and they took 10 inches of colon from me. I had never had a colon exam at 57. Any it had not spread and did not have to have radition, the surgeon recomended as a precaution some chemo and it was about once per month for about 5-6 months and never lost my hair and got sick etc. but some of the side effects were bothersome, but not bad. I am very much a reader and constantly read health books,all kinds and all opinions etc. I am considered a health nut by all my friends and always taking lots of supplements. but did over the years let the weight slip up on me. While reading one day in an article it mentioned Brian Peskin. So naturally I looked him up and was so impressed by what he was saying and thinking he is really on to something here…This was after my surgery and chem..I got through with chemo in Aug and found Brian’s info in Feb of the next year. The point of my reading was to find out how to keep cancer from ever coming back…I was not doing low carb till Brian’s books. My whole interest in my health became more focused on low card and his research. His research made so much sense to me and have become more of a health nutt than ever before after discovering his research. Cancer and Heart disease related or caused by the same thing and research to back it up and connecting the dots like he did …Wow. This guy is on to something..
I lost close to 60 pounds this year want to lose a few more. using low card and applying his recomendations in his book with low carb…I had always known about low carb but never took notice much till now.
The thing I noticed about the PEO’s is that cut my desire for food and that is just a side effect of the oils. I take the oils every day and will from now on….to get lots of oxygen to the cells as Brian says in his research. I will continue to take the PEOS…In his books it tell you how to mix the oils etc at a 2-1 mix..There is a formula available that is already mixed etc. but I mix my own and also take some Evening primrose capsules called (Efamol) That is omega 6.
According to the recomendations of the mix 1 tea spoon per 160# of body weight unless there is a issue.. It does not hurt to take more…So I take and may differ some on days but it is always the same…1-2 teaspoons of the mix per day..
and Also 6-capsules of Efamol 1000mg (omega 6) and 2 capsules of Flax oil…Since I had an issues I want to take more…So total I take what amounts to 1 tablespoon…
3 capsules of 1000mg of Evening Primrose (Efamol) and 1 capsule of Flax oil =1 teaspoon
2 teaspoons of the mix and all this = to 1 tablespoon
If I want to change it a bit…I will take 6 capsules of omega 6(evening primrose) and 2 capsules of the flax and 1 teaspoon of the mix it still will equal 1 table spoon. i try to keep it in balance…2-1…The Efamol brand is the best in the world…90 capsules is only $12.73 and last a month..
So that is what I do…if anyone has any questions I will be glad to answer if I can…but I am no doctor…But on that note I purchased The Hidden Story Of Cancer and gave it to my doctor several months ago..When I went back to him and asked him if he had had a chance to read the book..He was on fire with the book and was doing a study as he purchased the oils and gives it to patients(already mixed) who are overweigh. He informed me that it has been beyond exceptional..He told me amost all in the high 80% lost weight. He has seen blood pressure dropped, reduced the amount of medications, or stopped some and has seem many positive benifits from the oils. He said he refers to the book all times and was greatly impressed with the infomation…my email is sid_aust@msn.com
if anyone wants to contact me…hopes this helps
thanks again…
Great post, Sid. Thanks for sharing your story. Very powerful. I would recommend that anyone who questions Peskin’s findings to actually READ his material, most notably his book, “The Hidden Story of Cancer.”
Thanks for your sharing your personal story.
Got the book today. It’s amazing. (The format’s a bit odd, but it’s all supported) Again, to hear a well versed scientist/aware Dr. hash it out with Brian would be priceless. Not in a debate, but in an academic discussion where both Brian and a colleague, who could possibly bring up other research that contradicts the works Brian cites,or shows where Brian’s understanding of physiology is incorrect, but is willing to hear Brian and consider his work. Brian really does back up his statements.
For those who know engineers with poor social skills just look into Asperger’s, high functioning autism of various degrees,and you’ll find all your answers.
If you go on this guy’s web site he has all kinds of things to sell, much of it for pretty high prices….I will continue to look into it, but I wonder about someone when they may have a hidden agenda (ie books and “packages” to sell)…also, why can’t we find his book on Amazon?…..
Well the Eades sell stuff (at insane prices), Mark Sisson sell stuff and promotes many products, Dr. Graveline is self published… Brian’s books appear to be self-published (Pinnacle Press). To me this just means the establishment didn’t want to hear it, or may be Brian wanted more of the profit, or it was a way to help people who heard his lectures and wanted it in writing. Whatever the reason, isn’t it great to live in a time when we can get word out without depending on big publishing houses?
By the way, go back and listen to Jimmy’s interview with Dr. Graveline. I think he mentions that he, too, is seeing the need for omega 6.
He tells you in the book what to do, so no need to buy supplements if you don’t want the convenience. I downloaded his free recipe book – the pudding was fabulous (all in the family enjoyed it).
Really, buy the book (get 24 hr diet 1/2 price). I’m enjoying them, and so is my 17 year old who wants to study biochem. As I said, they are a bit odd in their layout, and his voice is strong – no third person voice here, but he does document what he says. I haven’t looked the articles up and read them, though – possibly he’s citing falsely (doubt it), but when I worked as a research librarian for a government agency and did literature searches for scientists it was not totally unusual to find some studies cited references that didn’t exist! The other possibility is he misunderstands them. That is why I’d love a physiologist or someone versed in this stuff to READ and then address/discuss his work.
Peskin’s books tell you how to buy the necessary oils and supplements in any health food store. You don’t have to buy them from the companies he recommends, and he’ll be the first one to tell you that.
As for selling books on his website, well, I have no problem with that at all. Anyone prominent in their field publishes books (or should). I’m betting he used his own publisher to have complete control over the content and how it’s sold. Very smart, actually.
I’m always amazed how people gripe about people selling books on health topics . . . but don’t even consider the conflict of interests inherent in a mainstream health care system that advocates things like chemotherapy that costs tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars per patient.
My wife’s oncologist is a great guy, and we are happy with his expertise, but the guy knew NOTHING about any alternative approach whatsoever. He didn’t even have a single thing to say about nutrition. Not one thing! That flabbergasted me.
The current mainstream protocols for cancer have hardly changed in 40 years, and the progress made is absolutely dismal. The progress we’ve made is nil. All these walks for cancer, all these benefit events . . . would love to see some of that massive amount of money go into research on nutrition and alternative approaches, but that’s just a pipe dream, I guess. (Cue John Lennon’s “Imagine” . . .)
Great Post and totally agree…How is your wife doing now? Are you taking the oil now and how long…just wondering..
would love to correpond with you as I had colon cancer before…sid_aust@msn.com
best to you…
Thats
sid_aust@msn.com
if anyone wants to correspond…
thanks
Hi guys,
I emailed Brian Peskin a slew of questions over the last few days, and he was good enough to answer really promptly and give me permission to post his answers here. Below are the excerpts, edited for formatting.
Best,
– M
Q: The paleo community (which generally tends to be pro-omega 3 and anti-grain)
Brian Peskin: **anti-grain is fine AND you do need parent omega-3 — NOT fish oil derivatives EPA and DHA.
has raised some issues regarding how paleolithic man would have obtained your recommended PEO ratios if he had little access to seeds, grains, and the like.
Brian Peskin: **from the MEATs, eggs , etc. remember — no processing back then and all the issues are in harmful processing
Would limited and seasonal access to these plant sources have supplied our evolutionary ancestors with the correct PEO ratio, or is the ratio of omega 6 to omega 3 fats pretty much ideal in grassfed meat?
Brian Peskin: **yes —- 2-3:1 in favor of parent omega-6 — very good.
(Obviously, it’s impossible to know exactly what our ancestors did, but what would be the most plausible source of PEOs? The Inuit weren’t taking sunflower oil…)
Brian Peskin: **correct.
Q: What are the origins of the idea that we need SO MUCH supplemental DHA and EPA (the health industry’s current recommendations for fish oil)?
Brian Peskin: **likely the fact that the brain and retina have large amounts of DHA (although insignificant EPA). what they all overlook is the fact that the DHA can be replaced in brain and nervous system slowly….i have never seen an analysis of what the doses of the derivatives are as high as they are in spite of being pharmacological overdoses.
Q: You seem to say that proper PEO supplementation in effect mimics the amount and ratio of PEOs available in grass fed meat. If one were to consume adequate amounts of grass fed meat (8 ounces or more daily?), would one still need to supplement with PEOs?
Brian Peskin: **needs to be organic/natural with no pesticides, hormones, etc. theoretically you should , especially if you also eat organic eggs. however, i know of no one who isn’t taking a supplement to do an analysis on. it would be most interesting.
What if one consumed primarily grain fed or feedlot meat instead? Does grain fed or feedlot meat provide either inferior or inadequate supplies of LA/parent omega 6?
Brian Peskin: **adulterated!
Q: When simultaneously exposed to both functional, undamaged PEOs AND adulterated, nonfunctional PEOs, do our cells preferentially incorporate the the organic, unprocessed versions, or does the rate of incorporation reflect the percentages consumed? What becomes of any excess PEOs (both functional and nonfunctional)?
Brian Peskin: **ONLY in proportion of overall intake — that’s why so important to ensure you get lots of function ones.
Q: I’ve read that at certain levels of intake, protein does stimulate some insulin secretion (though not in harmful amounts).
Brian Peskin: **INSIGNIFICANT!
With this in mind, what is your opinion of a Jan Kwasniewski type diet of a protein:fat:carbohydrate ratio of 1:2.5:0.8? (Good – unnecessary – silly – harmful?)
Brian Peskin: **what is this based on and in my opinion, completely unnecessary….no need to make eating your “second job” — simply makes carbs “last on list” and have few.
Q: What is your opinion of intermittent fasting (such as one or two 24-hour fasts per week, or a daily eating window of 4-9 hours)?
Brian Peskin: **fast is fine — also, eating once a day is best! twice at most….we are not designed to be human billygoats eating all the time….leads to diabetes.
Oh, and I tried to post this earlier, but it seemed not to have gone through. Apologies if it’s just caught up in the server and ends up posting thrice!
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Jimmy – first of all, thank you for your courage and all that you do for the low carb community – here are some thoughts on the Brian Peskin interview.
Guys, I’ll start off by saying that I have no scientific background whatsoever and I am just trying to make sense of the available information like everyone else. No doubt I am mistaken about a lot of things, but I’m trying to keep an open yet critical mind. I’m open to challenges and debate, and thanks in advance for not attacking me. 🙂
Having listened to the podcast and subsequently reading The 24-Hour Diet, I was actually struck by some similarities between Brian Peskin and Gary Taubes. (Again, please don’t attack me!) Obviously, their personalities are pretty much opposite, and I haven’t educated myself well enough (yet) to compare the quality of their scientific analyses, but 1) They are both men who have extensively researched the scientific literature, and 2) They came to virtually IDENTICAL conclusions about insulin, carbohydrates (down to the level of glycerol 3-phosphate!), the lipid hypothesis, the diet-heart hypothesis, and the effectiveness of fiber and exercise for fat loss.
If we believe Taubes, and Peskin independently has made some of the exact same arguments as Taubes has, perhaps we owe it to ourselves to consider Peskin’s ideas about PEOs. Not that their agreement on the above topics means that either of them is necessarily right, or that Peskin is right about PEOs, but it seems like we have little to lose and much to gain by testing this out. (Though it would be incredibly interesting to know what Taubes would think of Peskin’s books.) We don’t have to buy any specific recommended brand. Nutiva sells an organic, cold pressed hemp oil that looks like it has a ratio of LA to ALA that falls within Peskin’s recommended levels (http://nutiva.com/products/9_oil.php). If Peskin is right, then many of us are doing ourselves harm by taking fish oil that raises blood sugar. If people are interested in testing the effect of switching fish oil for an organic, unadulterated LA/ALA blend for 2 weeks or a month, I don’t think they would harm themselves in such a short time frame, and they might experience some benefits. It would be easy enough to stop supplementation if no benefits occur.
And, to play devil’s advocate for just a moment more… I know we oppose conventional wisdom when it is wrong. But we too have our version of “low carb conventional wisdom.” Not that we are wrong (like high carb advocates…), but we should always continue to be skeptical of our assumptions, right? Dr. Eades tweeted a link to the following article the other day, and I found it pretty inspiring: http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/12/fail_accept_defeat/all/1
Okay, thanks for not hating me!
– M
http://silentevidencespeaks.wordpress.com/
Great post…enjoyed reading it…I have heard Brian in many talks and he does not recommend Hemp oil,soy or canola…Hemp has not been used as a cooking oil traditionally, but it can be used to produce non-toxic diesel fuel, paint, varnish, detergent,ink and lubricating oil therefore he does not recomend it as one of the omega 6 oils…cold pressed and organic sunflower,safflower,sesame oil. pumpkin oil, evening primrose oil, borage oil.. are the ones he recomends mostly are sunflower and safflower…I use both in my mix and also take Evening Primrose oil (Efamol)capsule 3-1000mg capsules and 1-1000mg flax oil…The choice is yours..but hemp in not recomended..I did not say it was bad. just not enough info on it. The hemp people do a lot of slick advertising….just cautious..They can’t legally grow it in the US..has to come from Canada…
enjoyed the post…great comments..and reading..
once again a great post..
Thanks, Sid! By all means, if hemp is a questionable product, we should avoid it. The U.S. industrial farming complex has such problems that it’s hard to believe Canada is worse – but I suppose nothing would surprise me anymore!
Thanks Sid_Aust, Meeses, Billy etc…
I have followed these comments more closely than usual.. since hearing Brians machine gun style interview a couple of days ago. I have been intrigued by his “truth”
He does seem to make a bit of sense on many things, it has been common amongst the anti-cholesterol enthusiasts that cholesterol is bad when it is oxidised. This guy seems to have taken the explanation further. LDL and VLDL are just the carriers and it does carry fatty acids. It makes sense to me that amongst what LDL carries is adulterated omega 6 oils.. aka. oxidised cholesterol.
I don’t have a problem either personally buying the book from his website. If i like what i read and want to know more, I will get it from somewhere.. His books are on Amazon by the way (in response to an earlier post)
Overall, we are all on learning curves and take information from all different sources. There are many people out there playing the same tune as Brian, with slightly different perspective. Personally i love it, there is a vast information on nutrition and no one man can cover it all.
I’m off to buy the book to learn more.
update: since i posted last, i have got the book now and half way through it. I must say i did have thoughts of regret buying it just to find out more about Omega 3s. Now that i have it.. all i can say its a brilliant book. It not only covers PUFAs and why fish oils not the best source of omega 3s, it also has an excellent critique of the fields nutritional and medical research.. its spectacular failings and the time it takes for new and correct information to get to us the consumer. The information is not that profound and outside the circle, it is however remarkable that the industry has wasted so much time and money on research that would never go anywhere, while science and research from the turn of last century has been scorned and ignored. He cites many examples of “medical breakthroughs” that we have today have taken 30+ years to be taken up and accepted by the establishment. Many of the discovers of these breakthroughs have been awarded prestigious awards decades after the discovery.
I believe that Brian has disseminated a complicated and confusing field very efficiently and with clarity. He has mentioned the and understood the work of many amazing people. To me its a breathe of fresh air, knowing its based evidence based science that can be replicated 99%+ of the time. All we need to do as the reader is to park what we think we know at the door and read his work.. check it, verify it, if we can replicate it.. then we have our answer.
I don’t feel anyone has the ultimate answer on cancer and on Omega 6 to Omega3 ratio involvement. Not one mention has been made of the severe exposures to toxic chemicals that we all receive from environmental exposures from over 100,000 chemicals now used in our modern society. Hardly any studies of the chemical mixtures effect on humans have ever been completed. This includes exposures to fabric softeners, pesticides, personal care products, GMO foods, fragrance chemicals used in numerous products, air fresheners in public restrooms, dryer sheets, nail polish, flame retardants, mercury, and so many others too numerous to list here. Cancer is the biggest killer of kids 14 and under. I believe Brian has only touched on one aspect of a major disease syndrome known as cancer. If we don’t stop poisoning our biosphere and reverse what we have done, it won’t matter what natural oil mix you use.
These things you mentioned are possibly secondary causes, but there is only one cause and that is lack of oxygen to the cell. Everything else leads back to the original cause as stated by Dr Otto Warburg MD Phd and 2 time nobel prize winner in medicine…If you can purchase the book at http://www.brianpeskin.com you will know more about the subject than 100% of the doctors you know..
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I think his view is interesting, though a little one sided. He seems to really like himself and think he is doing a great job in life!
-Sylvia
Cigar Ratings
Jimmy –
I really enjoyed this Podcast. It would be great to have another follow up session with Brian Peskin.
As everyone above is debating, Brian’s conclusions have made me think harder about what could be right.
I would love to hear from Brian.
Jimmy – Thanks again for the great work and having guests that challenge our understanding!!!
Brian Peskin merely “discovered” in his studies what every RAW PALEO DIET practitioner already knows: PEO = RAW FAT.
This is why we eat raw animal fat as a daily staple and is totally superior to those seed oil PEO supplements being sold in the market.
I’m inviting you to see our forum at http://www.rawpaleoforum.com
Please do an interview with our founder Geoff Purcell aka TylerDurden